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UK250 club guidelines (1 Viewer)

Watcha

myself and a couple of mates are attempting to do a self found Norfolk list this year. Does anyone have a copy of the UK250 club guidelines for what birds in which circumstances are countable?

the old website seems to be down now

atb
Tim
 
Seem to remember that the guidelines were very hazy, or at least thats what I thought as did a few others I know.
The idea was a good one though.
What I do is, I only tick birds that are a genuine surprise,not on their breeding grounds for instance or if I was involved in the id process.
I think the uk250club allowed species that were co found, thats fine by me if both observers see the bird at the same time.
Others were a bit grey such as Greater Sand Plover found by my mate after we split up to check the area more thouroughly,not a find in my book but one in uk250,s I seem to recall.
 
think they also had a rule that stipulated you could count a bird if you relocated it yourself at a respectable spatial or temporal distance (though not sure if you had to be unaware of the birds presence in the first place) ... the rules did seem a little vague, shame really, surely the most satisfying list anyone could keep
 
...so the more ignorant you are , the better? ;-)

(in terms of what's around, at least)

Best of luck in your quest.
 
There was discussion on Surfbirds back in March 2003. Some of the original guys involved in UK250 posted so as it as a public forum I don't see a problem with posting their email addresses here:

Ben Miller <[email protected]>
Andy Webb <[email protected]>

Addresses might not be current but I think Ben is a Bucks birder if you want to track him down.

I'd like to see it, or something similar again. Also, I presume you know about the self-found rankings on Surfbirds?
 
Tim Allwood said:
Watcha

myself and a couple of mates are attempting to do a self found Norfolk list this year. Does anyone have a copy of the UK250 club guidelines for what birds in which circumstances are countable?

the old website seems to be down now

Why don't you and your friends initate your own set of guidelines and rules,and make them the ones to "go with".

POP
 
Andy Webb has just posted this on Surfbirds:

<<<
Hi folks,

I've copied the original wording we used when we first set up the club
back in 1997. Don't bother with the hotmail address at the end - this
isn't being monitored if it even still exists.

I'm not sure if Surfbirds is going to insert control characters into
this message. If so, I apologise. I've sent Ilya a Word copy of the
text if anyone wants a copy as I will be away from my email for the next
12 days.

Good luck anyone who goes for a self-found list, enjoy your 4 months in
Shetland!

Andy

______________________________
Andy Webb
Knowledge Manager
Joint Nature Conservation Committee
Dunnet House, 7 Thistle Place
Aberdeen AB10 1UZ


Rules of the UK 250 Club

The UK 250 Club is a club for people who have found at least 250 bird
species in Great Britain and Ireland (GB & I). The Club aims to promote
the skill of finding birds in the UK. It is intended as a fun and
different way of looking at lists, and must not be seen as excessively
competitive. UK 250 Club supports nature conservation by promoting the
submission of bird records to local bird recorders.

There are many definitions of what constitutes a find. The purpose of
these rules is to remove inconsistencies between these definitions and
allow comparison between find lists. Inevitably, the situations in
which people find birds are complex. Therefore the UK 250 Club must work
on the principles of honesty and genuine surprise.

In order to become a member of the UK 250 Club, you need to submit the
total number of bird species found by the rules listed below. The UK
250 Club Committee will request full lists from members in order to
carry out an initial check. These full lists will be made available to any
other UK 250 Club member who might request it. The UK 250 Club
Committee will adjudicate in the event of disputed finds.

1. The geographical limits all bird finds will be those of the Great
Britain and Ireland (GB & I). These are the political entities of
England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland and the
Isle of Man. The boundary extends offshore to 200 nautical miles, or if
closer, the median line between adjacent countries.

2. All bird species found, must be on categories A or C of the British
List as determined by the British Ornithologists Union.

3. All birds, if applicable, must have been accepted by the records
committee appropriate to the rarity and location of the find. This may
require a description of the bird to be submitted to the local records
committee, the Irish Rarities Committee, the NI Rarities Committee, the
Scottish Birds Records Committee, the Welsh Rarities Committee, the
British Birds Rarities Committee or the British Ornithologists Union
Records Committee. It is not sufficient to be named as an observer in the
relevant rarity report to count a species as a find.

4. The discovery of a bird must be a genuine surprise. Therefore, if
your find doesn't constitute an original observation, you must prove
that you were completely ignorant of the bird being present at that site.
For example, if you find a bird at a particular site, but learn later
that someone else had already found the bird there beforehand, you must
be able establish that you did not receive any information of the
bird's presence there.

5. A re-find must come as a genuine surprise. A re-find will
invariably involve a local or national rarity. If there is a sufficient gap in
time or place, such that the appropriate rarity report cites the
observation complete with the re-finders' names, then it can be counted as a
find.

6. All species which breed commonly in GB & I (i.e. not on Schedule 1
of the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act) can be classed as found
without the principle of "genuine surprise" applying (Rules 4 & 5). All
other rules of the UK 250 Club still apply; in other words, these species
must still have been found and identified by yourself. A list of rare
breeding birds on Schedule 1 which can also be counted in this way is
given in Appendix 1 at the end of the rules. This is due to these
species being so sedentary and restricted in their geographical range and
habitat that finding them away from their well known breeding areas would
be virtually impossible. All other Schedule 1 species have to be found
away from known breeding areas by the normal finding rules of the UK
250 Club.

7. Under normal circumstances, the person who finds a bird will have
discovered it and correctly identified it. However, more than one person
can find a particular bird if any of the conditions in Rules 8, 9 or,
10 are met.

8. If the person who discovers the bird does not identify the bird to
the correct species, he or she must have ruled out all but the principal
confusion species to count it as a find. The person (or persons - see
Rule 10) who, having seen the bird, first correctly identifies it may
also count it as a find.

9. More than one person can claim to have identified a bird if they
vocalise or otherwise indicate that they have arrived at the correct
identification more or less simultaneously. Honesty is paramount when
deciding if the utterance given in the excitement of a find constitutes a
correct identification.

10. More than one person, but no more than three, can claim to have
identified a bird if the identification evolves over a period of time. In
these cases, the persons claiming this record as a find must all fully
contribute to the identification of the bird.

Appendix 1 Species on Schedule 1 of the W & C Act (1981) which can be
found without the principles of genuine surprise applying (see Rule 6).

Capercaillie
Ptarmigan
Dartford Warbler
Crested Tit
Chough
Scottish Crossbill
Cirl Bunting

Rules devised by Andy Webb, Ben Miller and Phil Hansboro
uk250clubAThotmail.com

UK 250 Club Rules 21/11/97


Copyright (c) UK 250 Club
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I've long kept self-found lists but there is one thing we can't all agree on locally that isn't explicitly covered by the above. As an example say you go to see a flock of Smew reported. The report said there were 5 but you find 6. There are some who would count the sixth bird as a find. I wouldn't as it wouldn't really come as much of a surprise that not all the birds were counted in the first place. There are obviously greyer areas beyond this example. What if you found an extra 2, or 3, or a separate flock of 4? What if the additional one (or more) was on an adjacent lake on the same site?

Personally I just go by whether it felt like a find or not.
 
brianhstone said:
4. The discovery of a bird must be a genuine surprise. Therefore, if
your find doesn't constitute an original observation, you must prove
that you were completely ignorant of the bird being present at that site.
For example, if you find a bird at a particular site, but learn later
that someone else had already found the bird there beforehand, you must
be able establish that you did not receive any information of the
bird's presence there.

>>>

I'm a bit puzzled by this. How can you prove a negative?

MarkA
 
You: "I just found a rather-interesting bird there-and-there."
Someone else: "Yes, I already heard about it from Mr X"
You: "Oh, I didn't hear from him yet."
Or how about this:
I know a guy who found two Caspian Terns. Some other birdwatcher (I use the term loosely) came by, and said: "Yeah I saw those before, aren't they Common Terns"… Oh well — they're the same size in the book… Would certainly be a "self found" for me!
 
Hi Tim
Nice to hear about people searching for birds! Are we going to be able to read about the progress of your list throughout the year? That would be cool.
 
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