A few Norwegians for identification (1 Viewer)

delia todd · Dec 29, 2018

All taken on a walk round a forested loch in the mountains above Hell! Early August.

1: a flower with a Bumblebee and a (I presume) Hoverfly on it. If anyone can name the flower that would be a bonus (is it a form of scabious?)

2 & 3: These are much harder and may not be possible from these images (but I've nothing better). My first ever attempt at getting one in flight, but the sun was against me.

Max S. · Dec 30, 2018

1- The flower is devil's bit or field scabious with the first one being more common in Norway.
The hoverfly is Syrphus sp. (or Parasyrphus sp.)
2 - Coenagrion sp. or Enallagma cyathigerum
3 - unidentifiable but I would lean towards some sort of hawker

delia todd · Dec 30, 2018

Thanks so much for your help with these Max.

aeshna5 · Dec 30, 2018

Bumblebee looks like Bombus pascuorum in 1.
I don't think the other 2 photos show enough to give precise IDs.

delia todd · Dec 30, 2018

aeshna5 said:
Bumblebee looks like Bombus pascuorum in 1.
I don't think the other 2 photos show enough to give precise IDs.

Thanks Aeshna. I thought the two dragons were a very long shot.

If you want more clarification on the bumblebee, Here's another picture showing his backside a bit more clearly perhaps.

pdwinter · Dec 30, 2018

The dragonfly in flight could be a female Brown Hawker - it's certainly a female, it has the jizz of Brown Hawker and by taking a few details out of the shadows it looks (a bit) like a Brown Hawker - but as others have said best left as Hawker sp.

delia todd · Jan 1, 2019

Thanks for trying guys.

I have another from that day that I've just found, think this one may be possible to ID.

Happy 2019 to all in this forum.... and thanks for all the help you give to, not just me, but everyone else who asks for assistance.

Max S. · Jan 1, 2019

Male Aeshna juncea/subarctica (I'd prefer a side view or better view of the back of the head to ID with 100% certainty).

Happy New Year to everyone!

delia todd · Jan 1, 2019

Thanks Max. Sorry couldn't do any better than that. He was up on a house wall and that was as close as I could get without actually going on to their porch (not brave enough to do that on a stranger's property!)

Max S. · Jan 1, 2019

Sorry couldn't do any better than that. He was up on a house wall and that was as close as I could get without actually going on to their porch (not brave enough to do that on a stranger's property!)

Something that happens to me quite often, especially with dragonflies and moths

Aeshna subarctica/juncea are a pair of species that are very similar compared to other European dragonflies. The most visible differences (at least for males) are that A. juncea has a yellow spot behind the head and a smaller sized patch between the two main stripes on the thorax. I'm not sure how dark your photo is so I don't know if there's a spot behind the head.

I've attached two pictures from wazki.pl, the first one showing A. juncea and the second A. subarctica. Maybe that will help if you remember the insect or have a lighter picture?

delia todd · Jan 8, 2019

Hi Max

Sorry, I've only just now had time to study your post and attachments. Thank you so much for all the trouble you've been to.

I've just lightened the original picture, but can't make out any more detail, certainly not the spot behind the head.

Andy Adcock · Jan 8, 2019

Max S. said:
Something that happens to me quite often, especially with dragonflies and moths

Aeshna subarctica/juncea are a pair of species that are very similar compared to other European dragonflies. The most visible differences (at least for males) are that A. juncea has a yellow spot behind the head and a smaller sized patch between the two main stripes on the thorax. I'm not sure how dark your photo is so I don't know if there's a spot behind the head.

I've attached two pictures from wazki.pl, the first one showing A. juncea and the second A. subarctica. Maybe that will help if you remember the insect or have a lighter picture?

Doing this from memory but subarctica, supposedly brown not yellow costa, both attached images seem to show yellow costa so this sin't a reliable feature?

I'm aware of this yellow spot from a thread I started earlier this year.

I've been hoping to find subarctica on my patch in Russia, no luck so far.

Max S. · Jan 8, 2019

andyadcock said:
Doing this from memory but subarctica, supposedly brown not yellow costa, both attached images seem to show yellow costa so this sin't a reliable feature?

I'm aware of this yellow spot from a thread I started earlier this year.

I've been hoping to find subarctica on my patch in Russia, no luck so far.

I wouldn't say that the colour of the costa is a deciding feature. I've been lucky enough to see one A. subarctica which also had a dull yellow costa (sadly no picture). It's probably a feature that differs depending on age and distribution.

Another A. subarctica from Poland with a yellowish costa:
http://www.wazki.pl/z/wazki_aeshna_subarctica/PBu_Ignatowka.jpg

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