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New Old Trinovids (1 Viewer)
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Its seem to be true. https://leica-nature-blog.com/leica-trinovid-we-are-proud-of-this-proof-of-quality/
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Paskman
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They are already in the Leica Store in the UK.
https://store.leica-camera.com/uk/en/trinovid
Prices are fairly steep, but as I am looking at some new binoculars I am tempted by the 7x35s
https://store.leica-camera.com/uk/en/trinovid
Prices are fairly steep, but as I am looking at some new binoculars I am tempted by the 7x35s
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Allbinos still has listed the Leica 7x35, 8x40 and 10x40 Trinovids which were announced in September 2017. In fact they currently are the first 3 Leica binoculars listed by Albinos at this time. They still show the original 3 different styles that came out in 2017.
https://www.allbinos.com/42-Leica-binoculars.html
https://www.allbinos.com/1887-Leica_Trinovid_7x35-binoculars_specifications.html
Bob
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If they are going to do that I expect that they will be expensive!
I ordered one of the original versions from Camera Land when they were taking orders for them and, if my memory is correct it was about $400.00 US dollars less than their current projected (US) price of $1,600.00 is. Some may remember it differently than I do, however.:smoke:
Bob
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Gijs van Ginkel
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Paskman, post 8,
Only sold through Leica stores???????
I asked around and one thing is clear: House of Outdoor run by Jan van Daalen will immediately stop selling Leica binoculars and he will ban all Leicas from his shop, so I expect sales promotion of his complete Leica inventory soon, if Leica seriously chooses this path. Fortunately customers have a lot of choice of other bands than Leica in his shop I understand.
Gijs van Ginkel
Only sold through Leica stores???????
I asked around and one thing is clear: House of Outdoor run by Jan van Daalen will immediately stop selling Leica binoculars and he will ban all Leicas from his shop, so I expect sales promotion of his complete Leica inventory soon, if Leica seriously chooses this path. Fortunately customers have a lot of choice of other bands than Leica in his shop I understand.
Gijs van Ginkel
Mike F
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And why not.........
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John A Roberts
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In relation to the specifications, I've attached:
a) those from yesterday's announcement (see dipped's link in post #3), and
b) those from the previous 2017 announcement (from a 2017 catalogue)
Whether the differences are accurate, and what they indicate, who knows?
(simplification or refinement of the earlier design? a desire to provide greater differentiation from the Ultravid line?)
I've also attached images of the 3 models - now only offered in leatherette - perhaps reflecting market research as to likely buyer preferences
John
a) those from yesterday's announcement (see dipped's link in post #3), and
b) those from the previous 2017 announcement (from a 2017 catalogue)
Whether the differences are accurate, and what they indicate, who knows?
(simplification or refinement of the earlier design? a desire to provide greater differentiation from the Ultravid line?)
I've also attached images of the 3 models - now only offered in leatherette - perhaps reflecting market research as to likely buyer preferences
John
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John (post#13),
Something with the FOV specs went wrong, I think.
In the old specs, these were the numbers for the three models:
450ft, 387ft, 330ft
150m, 129m, 110m
The new specs are now:
460ft, 404ft, 341ft
140m, 123m, 104m
How can the FOV be wider in feet and smaller in meters, etc.?
Canip
Something with the FOV specs went wrong, I think.
In the old specs, these were the numbers for the three models:
450ft, 387ft, 330ft
150m, 129m, 110m
The new specs are now:
460ft, 404ft, 341ft
140m, 123m, 104m
How can the FOV be wider in feet and smaller in meters, etc.?
Canip
John A Roberts
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Hi 42za,
The 2017 catalogue did state that Uppendahl prisms were to be used
And it it would be reasonable to suppose that this is still the case - but until it’s confirmed we just don’t know
Uppendahl prisms are used in the still produced 2nd generation Geovid rangefinders. So it's not as if lack of current expertise should be a consideration
However, Schmidt-Pechan prisms are more compact, so theoretically they could fit into the existing space
- see the image from Jan van Daalen comparing an S-P pair from a Leica BN to the Uppendahl group from an original Leitz v2 Trinovid
(from: https://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=3670563&postcount=95 )
As a practical consideration, the choice of prisms shouldn’t matter (what works works)
However in considering the likely market, one would think that authenticity/ nostalgia/ rarity would be important considerations
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Hi Canip,
Good pick up! I only looked at the FOV in meters, so I didn’t notice the discrepancy in the 2019 table
- and I presume that the figures in meters are the correct ones, since Leica’s original measurements would be metric
As we know, FOV conversion is an angular conversion i.e. meters at 1000 meters verses feet at 1000 yards,
so the conversion factor is x 3 (or ÷ 3 for feet to meters), since there are 3 feet in a yard
However, the conversion factor used is x 3.28. That is, what should be used to convert a linear measurement - and is used for the minimum focusing distances
- so it’s a failure in proof reeding (. . . a little joke, I couldn't resist!)
John
The 2017 catalogue did state that Uppendahl prisms were to be used
And it it would be reasonable to suppose that this is still the case - but until it’s confirmed we just don’t know
Uppendahl prisms are used in the still produced 2nd generation Geovid rangefinders. So it's not as if lack of current expertise should be a consideration
However, Schmidt-Pechan prisms are more compact, so theoretically they could fit into the existing space
- see the image from Jan van Daalen comparing an S-P pair from a Leica BN to the Uppendahl group from an original Leitz v2 Trinovid
(from: https://www.birdforum.net/showpost.php?p=3670563&postcount=95 )
As a practical consideration, the choice of prisms shouldn’t matter (what works works)
However in considering the likely market, one would think that authenticity/ nostalgia/ rarity would be important considerations
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Hi Canip,
Good pick up! I only looked at the FOV in meters, so I didn’t notice the discrepancy in the 2019 table
- and I presume that the figures in meters are the correct ones, since Leica’s original measurements would be metric
As we know, FOV conversion is an angular conversion i.e. meters at 1000 meters verses feet at 1000 yards,
so the conversion factor is x 3 (or ÷ 3 for feet to meters), since there are 3 feet in a yard
However, the conversion factor used is x 3.28. That is, what should be used to convert a linear measurement - and is used for the minimum focusing distances
- so it’s a failure in proof reeding (. . . a little joke, I couldn't resist!)
John
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Hello John (post 17),
Thanks for your reply and thoughts on this matter.
I have a gut feeling , (probably completely wrong o
) , that Leica will use SP prisms and "improve" or "modernise" the old Trinovid recipe , the accountants at Leica have probably had their say .
I for one would like a new Trinovid that is made exactly like the old ones were , but with modern glass and coatings , we can dream can't we.
Or am I just too old for this o.
Cheers.
Thanks for your reply and thoughts on this matter.
I have a gut feeling , (probably completely wrong o
) , that Leica will use SP prisms and "improve" or "modernise" the old Trinovid recipe , the accountants at Leica have probably had their say .I for one would like a new Trinovid that is made exactly like the old ones were , but with modern glass and coatings , we can dream can't we.
Or am I just too old for this o
.Cheers.
Mark9473
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In the new specs, all models have become 40g heavier, so perhaps that is indication that they haven't moved to the smaller/lighter SP prisms.
But unless they explicitly say otherwise, I'm assuming SP nonetheless.
Hermann
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This is not correct. The choice of prisms *does* matter. SP are the worst choice among relevant roof prism designs (SP, AK and Uppendahl). Check the relevant literature, e.g. Merlitz 2019.
Hermann
