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pernis apivorus or hybrid ? North West greece May 24, 2020 (1 Viewer)
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interesting bird, my guess would be still EHB with P5 as long as it it could get, the smudgy gorget is a bit disturbing though. Send it to Dick Forsman and tell us what he thinks about it (www.dickforsman.com)
_pauls
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His email address is listed in the footer of the website linked by Tom above
thank you for your post but unless i am doing something totally wrong the RSS entries or comments don't seem to work at all
RafaelMatias
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thank you Rafael
John Cantelo
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I tend to shy away from hybrid theories. I'm not at all sure that it's not just an odd European Honey Buzzards but the wings do look broad so can a female Oriental Honey Buzzard (not a species with which I'm very familiar) be entirely discounted?
Andy Adcock
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Me too, are they known to hybridise and if so, with what?
in Dick Forsman’s latest ‘Flight Identification’ guide there is a whole chapter called ‘Identification of hybrid Honey-buzzards’. They seem to be common where both EHB and OHB meet (same for GSE LSE hybrids, common as well).
Andy Adcock
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Thanks Tom.
I agree Ken, OHB and EHB have very different wingshape, hybrids are in between but here wingshape is different in every pic
in image 3 the bird approaches and in image 2 the bird is turning looking(there are 12 frames apart during the second circle of the birds flight it was moving circular above me ) at the camera probably the difference at the wing shape is due to the angle of the flight. the image i post here it is vertical above me
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it was moving circular s the angle is different between pics i just posted a fram ethat is above me
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KenM
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Dick Forsman's reply :
To me this looks like a normal European Honey-buzzard (EHB), an adult
female. The underwing and tail barring, the wing shape, the wing-formula
and the dark carpal patch all comply nicely with a normal adult female
EHB, and to my eyes there is nothing suggesting influence from any other
species in this bird. If someone has made a point about the slightly
protruding 6th finger, the shape and length of this primary is still
perfectly within the variation found in EHB. The 6th finger (=p5) shows
no distinct emargination along its outer web (which can be clearly seen
in the backlit images) as there should be in Oriental Honey-buzzard, in
which the feather is both longer and more clearly fingered than here.
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