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Grey or Chestnut Teal, Western Australia

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Old Friday 7th June 2019, 15:29   #1
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Grey or Chestnut Teal, Western Australia

Would this first pic be a female Chestnut Teal rather than a Grey Teal? The second pic is, I believe, a Grey Teal.
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Old Thursday 13th June 2019, 10:41   #2
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Just pushing this up the list again as no replies first time. Must be a tricky one!
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Old Thursday 13th June 2019, 16:21   #3
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I think I agree with first Chestnut teal and second Grey Teal. http://www.birdsinbackyards.net/foru...l-or-Grey-Teal
The second bird seems to have a white throat and chin that are apparently indicative of Grey teal. The second clearly doesn't have the white throat and chin, so is a Chestnut teal. Would be interesting to see if someone with personal experience with these two species would comment and agree or disagree.
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Thanks for your input Seth. I'm hoping some of our Aussie friends might have a view...but they might be busy watching the World Cup Cricket!!
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Old Friday 14th June 2019, 12:33   #5
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I don't know anything about whether or not the throat colour is a reliable feature (we could do with an Aussie here), but if it is a good feature, I'd advise extreme caution in using anything other than multiple very clear images to evaluate it (which these aren't). Be interesting to hear if there are any other id features to go on too.
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I don't know anything about whether or not the throat colour is a reliable feature (we could do with an Aussie here), but if it is a good feature, I'd advise extreme caution in using anything other than multiple very clear images to evaluate it (which these aren't). Be interesting to hear if there are any other id features to go on too.
Just looking at the Google books copy of Madge Wildfowl & other web resources. Basically, grey teal has whitish throat and face, chestnut without such clearly contrasting marks. Chestnut with warm buffish-brown plumage cf pale greyish, and a more strongly mottled appearance due to more clearly dark feather centres. So, I think first photo is chestnut.
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Chestnut for first, Grey for second
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I have not enough experience to be 100% sure and know both species only from captive birds and photos, but there Chestnut teal appeared slightly browner and darker , while the few Grey teal had a whiter chin and throat in general. Here IŽd say first is chestnut, second grey teal.

However, that said there are some photos in the web where i do not feel confident. I would also have said grey teal here:
https://www.hbw.com/sites/default/fi...?itok=Y173481K

what do others think?
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