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Old Thursday 29th April 2010, 22:55   #1
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Exclamation save the coast = set the ocean on fire...?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/..._rig_explosion

I was thinking about how many Neo-tropical migrants use the gulf as a flyway - I wonder how that might effect them on their transit ...? A few years back it was said that many bird suffocated while flying over the massive fires that burned in the southern states at that time. How depressing !
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Old Friday 30th April 2010, 01:07   #2
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Man, don't get me started.... This environmental holocaust has me alternating between tears and burning rage. "Drill baby, drill"?

When even the current admin. decided to allow further coastal drilling, I just shuddered. Our poor, delicate, sweet Mother---gang raped for the allmighty petro-dollar.

Guess all we can do is hope that all the folks who will be economically s--- on because of this will raise enough stink that a sober second thought will ensue and the whole idea will be reconsidered. As to burning it?
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Probably horrible for birds, but not as much as if the oil spill hit land...
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Man, don't get me started.... This environmental holocaust has me alternating between tears and burning rage. "Drill baby, drill"?

When even the current admin. decided to allow further coastal drilling, I just shuddered. Our poor, delicate, sweet Mother---gang raped for the allmighty petro-dollar.

Guess all we can do is hope that all the folks who will be economically s--- on because of this will raise enough stink that a sober second thought will ensue and the whole idea will be reconsidered. As to burning it?

Right !! WTF ??
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Probably horrible for birds, but not as much as if the oil spill hit land...
Right ! ? I wondered about that - who get's it the worst ! ? - everyone loses !
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Old Saturday 1st May 2010, 07:24   #6
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It's the unacceptable cost of oil... probably the largest pollution event ever... It could be spilling oil into the Gulf of Mexico for months!

It's our addiction for oil that's the root cause... the more we demand it, the more dangerous the seach for it will be... it's not BP's fault .. it's everyones!
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it's not BP's fault .. it's everyones!
I completely agree , but at the same time BP has a lot to answer for. Starting with their green-washing campaign that spins them as " beyond petroleum " a conscious oil company looking for eco-friendly alternatives - when in fact they spend a pitiful fraction of their insane revenues on such endeavors. Match that with 16 million dolors spent last year to influence legislation in congress and it gets ugly pretty fast. And who will pay for this - most likely the US tax payers , which in a karmic way is only appropriate considering the United States absurd consumption of the worlds resources. This could have been any oil company I am sure , but this time it was BP. BP = bunch of pigs. The whole thing is just brutal.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010...-giant-bp.html

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Just catching up on this event on the news tonight. I am deeply shocked I am sad to say!

I wonder what caused the explosion and how it was so vicious as it was to cause 11 people to die on the rigs. My heart goes out to the family and friends of these people.

The higher management of BP must be having a lot of sleepless nights at the moment. What has been done to cause this accident. As employers the most important thing is 'Health and Safety' issues. Somehow things have gone wrong somewhere.
I wonder where they have gone wrong (used to work in the Oil Industry myself) and even a cigarette lighter was a no-no in any of these work environments

My OH works in the oil industry and even he was shocked how much damage to the environment that this one explosion will cause in the coming weeks. Bird and wildlife will be affected big time.

Hope that all is resolved in the near future with limited damage to wildlife

I really hope that the 'oiled seabirds' are put in foremost of peoples minds along with the unfortunate peoples along with any other issues attached to this 'destructive accident'

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Old Sunday 2nd May 2010, 00:06   #10
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I really hope that the 'oiled seabirds' are put in foremost of peoples minds along with the unfortunate peoples along with any other issues attached to this 'destructive accident'

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Completely agree Kathy - Funny how the damages all-way's boil down to dollars and cents, kind of shows you what our values are - as longbow eluded to , I hope this is a wakeup call
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Completely agree Kathy - Funny how the damages all-way's boil down to dollars and cents, kind of shows you what our values are - as longbow eluded to , I hope this is a wakeup call
It's hard to put a dollar and cents value on a sea bird, a turtle, an ecosystem........
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It's hard to put a dollar and cents value on a sea bird, a turtle, an ecosystem........
too right...they are priceless!!
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It's hard to put a dollar and cents value on a sea bird, a turtle, an ecosystem........
Unfortunately its very simple for the Oil Moguls, their shareholders and the average driver. Turtles, birds and coral reefs are cute on TV, but they dont fuel cars.

This business of drilling previously "uneconomical" wells is getting scary. Its now announced that a well a few km off the coast of Dublin, at Dalkey, is to be drilled and exploited, and everyone is just delighted that itll generate "revenue". These guys close down as "uneconomical" swimming-pools used by disadvantaged inner-city kids, levy billions from workers to pay off banker-friends, and now allow a platform to begin drilling 2km off the coast of the capital....its just infuriating, but also scary, because its only a matter of time before something goes horribly wrong, either with the drilling or the refining onshore.

Meanwhile, will BP pay for the cost of the U.S. clean-up? Beyond petroleum indeed.
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Old Monday 3rd May 2010, 03:20   #14
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Right on Sancho.

As far as protecting the birds goes:

I wonder if this would work? Get hole of every boat owner with a shotgun and hand out hundreds of free blank cartridges, send them out to range up an down the coast just off shore and fire at intervals to scare the birds inland.

I know this would cause stress and not do anything for eggs or nestlings, but would it not at least keep a lot of birds from being covered in oil?

I know this is a pretty wild idea, but might it work?

Pay each captain $2000 and charge it to BP.
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Right on Sancho.
I wonder if this would work? Get hole of every boat owner with a shotgun and hand out hundreds of free blank cartridges, send them out to range up an down the coast just off shore and fire at intervals to scare the birds inland.

I know this would cause stress and not do anything for eggs or nestlings, but would it not at least keep a lot of birds from being covered in oil?
Seabirds won't really go inland very much. More likely they'll just head out to sea and into the danger zone. And, yes, that would be massive stress to the birds, to the point of possibly causing them to die of exhaustion. Recall that during the Cultural Revolution, Mao declared birds the cause of inadequate agricultural production. The people were told to go out and use pots and pans to make a racket and scare up all the birds, which they kept doing until they all dropped dead out of the sky. The following year China suffered its worst harvest ever as the fields were ransacked by insects unchecked by avian predators.
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Old Thursday 6th May 2010, 00:57   #16
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BP is going to continue with another burn off dismissing it's effects on wildlife. Not a mention of neo-tropical transit across the gulf. I wonder if these guys know anything about wildlife to start with ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8662573.stm
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You probably won't know much if you just don't give a s--- in the first place. Remember there is no morality or value outside of profits for these kinds of people.

Not to say whether or not burning is the right approach in the circumstances, because I'm not a biologist. I just don't know.

I would however like to take this opportunity to go on record, in this tiny little space in the world, that there should be no off shore drilling anywhere at any time under any circumstances. There are some activities that are just too complex and inherently dangerous to be fooled with.

At times like this it sure is easy to see where Ed Abbey and Earth First were coming from.

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How can British Petroleum - that makes billions of dollars (pounds) in profit every year not dull out a fraction of that for some general maintenance on the oil rigs that pump out their black death.! Makes me sick.!!! I hope the CEO and his executives burn for this.
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As counter-intuitive as burning is, consider this also:

I just watched an interview with a woman who is National Geographic's explorer in residence, NOAA's past head scientist and a world renowned oceanographer.

She says the dispersants being used to break up the oil merely serve to improve things cosmetically while in fact contributing to the toxicity of the oil in the water column by sinking it and dividing it into smaller drops which are made more available to ingestion by smaller creatures, from micro-organisms on up the food chain. The chemicals are also toxic in and of themselves, which really doesn't take a scientist to infer from the outset.

These chemicals help to keep the oil from piling up on the beach, but actually make the catastrophic consequences of the spill worse, as far as the health of the ocean per se is concerned.

BP insists the dispersants are safe and have been tested and deemed such. --By whom?

Seems like the image consultants are working over-time on this one.
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Burning is probably the best they can do right now. Dispersants are really bad news. Much of the oil is below the surface and that's a big no win. No way to clean it up. If it leaks for 3-6 months, then the whole gulf is destroyed for more years than I have left to live.

Saddest thing is it's only the tip of the iceberg. More will happen, man made things will fail and there will be many more disasters to come. (I'm surprised terrorists haven't done this as a means to hurt us). The majority of people don't care about birds, but they will scream a fit when there are no shrimp or fish to eat. They will scream when their fancy beach property isn't worth a shit because the beaches are ruined. That's when people will be outraged, when their money gets hurt and when they can't go swim in the ocean. They will bitch when the big hotels and resorts can't attract people, but it won't help.

Very sad.......... We volunteered with Audubon. They said they would let us know if BP deemed it necessary to use volunteers, since the clean up is up to them. Now who in the hell is so stupid to let BP run the show. Just get it done and give BP the freakin bill! Oh, but then they will go bankrupt and the taxpayers will have to bail them out too!
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I wonder what you all drive as your day to day commuter? The most fuel efficeint vehicle you could find I am sure...

I look around, even amongst my birding friends and most of them are driving v6 or v8 vehicles. Why? Doesn't make sense to me...

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Good point Russ. It's clear no change will come from the top, the elites are all too heavily invested in and inter-related with oil. It is up to us to minimize our use of energy in any and all possible ways. In my house for instance, I heat with wood and no light is ever left burning in an unoccupied room. Can you imagine the energy savings if every other light burning around the world was turned off? If every road had a bike path? If governments mandated 70 mpg cars? If we moved goods by train? Our cities are lit up like cosmic Christmas trees. It is not needed, and it kills.

This latest info about the sub-surface oil plumes leaves one speechless. I also saw on 60 Minutes tonight an interview with a survivor. Unbelievable, gross negligence in many layers led to this environmental holocaust.

Life in prison for all responsible would be lenient.
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Does ANYBODY know what the heck they're doin' on this thing? Five weeks on, and they still don't have an accurate measure of the flow rate!

If they are going to continue with off shore oil production, it's clear a whole new govt. dept. will have to be created to assemble state of the art technology and legions of workers to handle future spills. Charge all concerned companies an annual rate to fund it, then fine the living daylights out of any company responsible for future accidental discharges.

What a monstrous and unforgivable assault on the Earth.
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Don't think I could word it any better than that.
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