Moth ID help, Cornwall, UK (1 Viewer)

thomasclark1985 · Jul 2, 2018

Hi,

Here a few moths that I'm struggling to ID in my guides, Hoping someone could help. I've had a go at most of them, but not confident.

1 - Udea prunalis?

2 - Heart and Dart (the size difference is puzzling me! Making me think one, both or neither are)

3 - Dwarf Cream Wave? I was hoping for Isle of Wight Wave, but the guide says former resident - presumed extinct... It has a very distinctive dark streak on the leading edge though not just at the base, so I'll leave it up to someone more knowledgeable.

4 - No idea on this one, thumbed every page in micro/macro guides, probably flicked past it a few times!

5 - Really struggling with this, I think I've convinced myself it's every Beauty in the guide at some stage, but now I'm going with Mottled or Great Oak Beauty.

Any help would be great,

Tom

aeshna5 · Jul 3, 2018

Agree with 1-3.
4 maybe Pyrausta despicata
5 would say Mottled Beauty.

thomasclark1985 · Jul 3, 2018

Another one

Thanks aeshna5.

Does anyone have any ideas on this one?

Cheers,

Tom

rosaria · Jul 3, 2018

I'd say Willow Beauty for 5.

thomasclark1985 · Jul 3, 2018

Yes I did think that at one point, as I have had many of them in my trap, this one just looked a bit different to the others. I’ll leave it in the “unidentified” file for meantime along with the rest!

Thanks Rosaria.

davidg · Jul 3, 2018

thomasclark1985 said:
Thanks aeshna5.

Does anyone have any ideas on this one?

Cheers,

Tom

I can only suggest a very worn Straw or Yellow Belle but I suspect this will have to stay in the unidentified file too.

David

thomasclark1985 · Jul 4, 2018

Thanks David, I thought it might.

Andy Adcock · Jul 4, 2018

rosaria said:
I'd say Willow Beauty for 5.

I'd agree with Mottled.

A

thomasclark1985 · Jul 13, 2018

Some more from the last week

Hi,

I could do with some help on these please - if anyone can. My guesses so far -

1) Is this a Clay or White-point, or something else?

2) Common Rustic?

3) Knot Grass?

4) Wormwood Pug?

5) Ingrailed Clay?

Thanks in advance,

Tom

Andy Adcock · Jul 13, 2018

I think 1 is a Wainscot?

A

thomasclark1985 · Jul 14, 2018

Thanks Andy, I was fortunate enough to bump into a county moth recorder today who helped ID them, he said 1 was a Clay, and all the others were correct other than the Common Rustic which would need dissection for confirmation.

Thanks

Andy Adcock · Jul 14, 2018

thomasclark1985 said:
Thanks Andy, I was fortunate enough to bump into a county moth recorder today who helped ID them, he said 1 was a Clay, and all the others were correct other than the Common Rustic which would need dissection for confirmation.

Thanks

If you have a clear pot, put the Clay in it so youi can see it's underparts, the greatest % of my catch are females which have a diagnostic, dark chevron on the belly.

A

Paul Chapman · Jul 15, 2018

Andy

It is males that have the black band on the belly and it is shown by White-point as well so it is not a distinct nguishing feature.

All the best

thomasclark1985 · Jul 20, 2018

Day flyer ID

andyadcock said:
If you have a clear pot, put the Clay in it so youi can see it's underparts, the greatest % of my catch are females which have a diagnostic, dark chevron on the belly.

A

Thanks, I've just ordered some clear pots which should make things easier. Is this Lempke's Gold Spot or Gold Spot? I can't decide. The colour points towards Lempke's, or is that not enough for positive ID? In that case in the unidentifiable folder it goes with the rest!

Cheers,

Tom

honeym · Jul 20, 2018

andyadcock said:
If you have a clear pot, put the Clay in it so youi can see it's underparts, the greatest % of my catch are females which have a diagnostic, dark chevron on the belly.
A

As Paul has said, it's the males that have the black mark. It is actually the moth's hair pencils, used to distribute pheromones. The underside of the hindwing is also covered in reflective (shiny) gold or silver scales. Both features of the subgenus Hyphilare.

honeym · Jul 20, 2018

thomasclark1985 said:
Thanks, I've just ordered some clear pots which should make things easier. Is this Lempke's Gold Spot or Gold Spot? I can't decide. The colour points towards Lempke's, or is that not enough for positive ID? In that case in the unidentifiable folder it goes with the rest!
Cheers,
Tom

The distinguishing feature is the length and shape of the lower white/silver mark on the forewing apex. Not clear enough (for me) in this photo.
Martin

thomasclark1985 · Jul 20, 2018

honeym said:
The distinguishing feature is the length and shape of the lower white/silver mark on the forewing apex. Not clear enough (for me) in this photo.
Martin

Thanks Martin.

thomasclark1985 · Jul 26, 2018

Help again please

Hi,

Can anyone help me out with this one? Just finished a night shift and found this in the trap. I thought “this looks interesting, I’ll stay awake a little longer, should be able to ID it straight away” An hour later I’m still sat here....

Cheers,

Tom

rosaria · Jul 26, 2018

It's a Lesser Broad-bordered Yellow Underwing.
Rose

thomasclark1985 · Jul 26, 2018

Thank you Rosaria

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