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Old Tuesday 20th March 2018, 14:35   #26
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My Nikon Monarch 7 10 x 42 are made in China and build quality and feel appear excellent, at least to me.
My 8x30 Monarch 7's were also made in China and in less than a month after purchase the rubber armor was loose on one barrel and one eyecup wouldn't stay extended. They promptly got returned and I opted to pick up some Viper HD's MIJ to replace them.

It's a shame as I loved the size and glass in the M7's, but the design/construction was lacking.
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Old Tuesday 20th March 2018, 14:48   #27
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[b]I got a China made Razor 8x42 recently[/B and am impressed with build quality, optics and mechanics (this is my first Vortex bino), even when I compare it to my German and Austrian alphas. It was expensive, but in my view is worth its price every penny.

We have to get used to the fact that in the future, even expensive instruments are coming from China. Just see what has happened lately to the astro market: Those here who like to look at the night sky with binocular telescopes will know what I mean....
One question....WHY?

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You guys have to understand something. American consumers are spoiled rotten. We (not me) have demanded high quality and cheap prices. That doesn't work very well, so what we're left with is cheap, throw away products that are relatively inexpensive.

The USA can make anything and everything anybody else can, but Americans are not willing to open up their pocket books..........cheap crap rules. Oh, and our libtard education system has been dumbing down American kids for decades now.
So true! I can't tell you how many folks I recommend a decent binocular to and their comeback is "I found a binocular on (fill in the blank) for $50, I think I'm gonna get that one."

Number one question at the pharmacy...."what's my copay?" If it isn't "free," they don't want it. I don't care if it cures cancer, fixes your double chin, gives you a full head of hair, and the ability to practice safe sex for 24 hours, they don't want it! HAHA! Same for binoculars!

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With their Japan-built products Vortex has routinely been selling at a similar level to Nikon, Bushnell and Leupold, and that is, in the best years, selling upto 20% of the binos sold in the USA. It remains to be seen if this will continue now they are sourcing from China, but they have a good reputation in the market.

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Question for you Lee, HAHA! Is a Chinese Vortex in your future? I all ready know the answer!
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Old Tuesday 20th March 2018, 15:38   #28
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Question for you Lee, HAHA! Is a Chinese Vortex in your future? I all ready know the answer!
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I haven't had a look through a Vortex yet so I can't give a definitive reply to that one. I know the eyecups on my made in China old-model Terra 8x32s are better in some ways that those on my $*@*@* SFs so I have no inhibitions about MIC binos.
I will look out for them at Bird Fair. The list of exhibitors at this year's Bird Fair is still being added to on the website so I don't know for sure if Vortexes (Vortices? ) will feature there but if they turn up I will take a look.

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Old Thursday 22nd March 2018, 14:44   #29
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Hi Lee,

Yes, Vortex will be there for what will be approximately our 11th year at the Birdfair.

Same place (we presume) As the past 7 years, Marquee 1, Stands 1+2.

If you want to take a look at the Vortex line up in the meantime, our current list of dealer days and shows is on our website.

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New vipers are out!! https://www.sportoptics.com/vortex-v...inoculars.aspx
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Is Vortex Optics next??

Stellar customer service, I was about to throw up when I read it. Vortex has a arrogant, do not care customer service. My emails and phone calls from years ago have STILL not been replied to.
And yea I tried al least four of their binoculars in different models they were all out of focus.
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Old Sunday 13th May 2018, 16:15   #32
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These days, for similar pricing to a Vortex Viper HD or Razor HD binocular you can get a Meopta MeoPro or Meopta MeoStar. IMO, there's no question that the Meopta is a far superior optic all around
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Stellar customer service, I was about to throw up when I read it. Vortex has a arrogant, do not care customer service. My emails and phone calls from years ago have STILL not been replied to.
And yea I tried al least four of their binoculars in different models they were all out of focus.
This year in UK, I found that three separate enquiries, by email, were answered very quickly and politely.
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Old Monday 14th May 2018, 04:08   #34
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Vortex Customer Service is excellent and prompt. That’s the reason Vortex has become so successful. Legions of hunters who routinely abuse their optics and get them repaired or replaced regularly will attest to that. Whether a Vortex glass is the best optic for you is another question. Everyone’s eyes and face are different so it really comes down to picking a price point and comparing what’s out there.
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i simply do not understand why a rather large place like the usa empire does not have the education, skill base or other ability to make good optics. can they not make good glass? just beer bottles? is it because they freed their slaves and thus have to use cheap factories abroad? sold yourselves out it seems. the countries that lost the ww2 both germany and japan make the best optical devices you all say and now you disparage the chinese. well they certainly seem to make better 'things' than usa does. and better profit for your masters too. stop buying the chinese, japanese and german stuff and see if any americans have the ability to make them from amongst your educated class and manufacturing cities. cant be that hard.
There us a certain amount of leading edge U.S. based optical work that we consumers never see when it is produced, but do reap the benefits from down the road a few years.
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i simply do not understand why a rather large place like the usa empire does not have the education, skill base or other ability to make good optics. can they not make good glass? just beer bottles? is it because they freed their slaves and thus have to use cheap factories abroad? sold yourselves out it seems. the countries that lost the ww2 both germany and japan make the best optical devices you all say and now you disparage the chinese. well they certainly seem to make better 'things' than usa does. and better profit for your masters too. stop buying the chinese, japanese and german stuff and see if any americans have the ability to make them from amongst your educated class and manufacturing cities. cant be that hard.

FWIW, it isn't "all that hard."

Germany has placed a large Schott Glass manufacturing plant 20 miles from where I live in Northeast Pennsylvania's Anthracite Coal Region.

It has 200 employees. It is a very important plant in that it is the center of research, technology and development for all Schott plants in the USA.

https://www.us.schott.com/advanced_o...ns/duryea.html

I don't think they would have settled here if there weren't people with the "education, skill base and other ability to make good optics."

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As I said in an earlier post, time will tell with Vortex, there are others vying for a piece of the pie, Tract, Meopta, even Zeiss and Nikon are muscling into the mid-range market, after all Vortex is a mid-range product.
As consumers look at Meopta which has more US presence now offering high quality optics in the midrange line, hunters I know are liking their products, so more competition for Vortex.

Bob, we have the best academic institutions here in the US, that is not the problem, the problem is below as quoted by jpraider of which I agree with, (as it relates to the youth education system).

"our libtard education system has been dumbing down American kids for decades now".

Folks I know in the military, they say the same thing today.

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I have lived long enough to remember people saying much the same about Japanese manufacturing as some are saying about Chinese today. My father insisted on buying a totally inferior German camera back in the early 1960s instead of the excellent Yashica I had requested on the advice of the photo shop that wouldn't touch Japanese products.

In fact I was in a major London photo retailer about 25 years ago when someone came in enquiring about Panasonic cameras and was told to try the hardware shop further down the road as proper photo shops don't handle that stuff. They did handle other Japanese brands by then, but not something that sounded like a vacuum cleaner. That shop has gone but Panasonic remain!

Times change
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i simply do not understand why a rather large place like the usa empire does not have the education, skill base or other ability to make good optics.
Clearly we do have the educational system, knowledge and skills to make good consumer grade optics as we once did. And other more technically advanced products. You are asking the wrong question. The question should be whether there is a business opportunity that would support the cost of developing the means of production, distribution and sales. It would appear that no such opportunity exists.

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can they not make good glass? just beer bottles?
Clearly we can. Just look back in history.
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is it because they freed their slaves and thus have to use cheap factories abroad? sold yourselves out it seems.
Why do you post claptrap like that?
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the countries that lost the ww2 both germany and japan make the best optical devices you all say and now you disparage the chinese. well they certainly seem to make better 'things' than usa does.
Markets and business opportunities clearly evolve over time and the business of sport optics has changed too. The Chinese are clearly capable of and do produce high quality optical, electronic and many other components. And consumers have clearly chosen and voted with their credit cards. I see no reason to disparage Chinese products. Possibly you are doing so.
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stop buying the chinese, japanese and german stuff and see if any americans have the ability to make them from amongst your educated class and manufacturing cities. cant be that hard.
Why would an American consumer want to stop buying quality goods from other countries just to attempt to resurrect a long dead industry? What you seem to be asking makes no sense.
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Clearly we do have the educational system, knowledge and skills to make good consumer grade optics as we once did. And other more technically advanced products. You are asking the wrong question. The question should be whether there is a business opportunity that would support the cost of developing the means of production, distribution and sales. It would appear that no such opportunity exists.


Clearly we can. Just look back in history.

Why do you post claptrap like that?

Markets and business opportunities clearly evolve over time and the business of sport optics has changed too. The Chinese are clearly capable of and do produce high quality optical, electronic and many other components. And consumers have clearly chosen and voted with their credit cards. I see no reason to disparage Chinese products. Possibly you are doing so.

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Why would an American consumer want to stop buying quality goods from other countries just to attempt to resurrect a long dead industry? What you seem to be asking makes no sense.


Three thumbs up to that! Roadbike!

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I have lived long enough to remember people saying much the same about Japanese manufacturing as some are saying about Chinese today. My father insisted on buying a totally inferior German camera back in the early 1960s instead of the excellent Yashica I had requested on the advice of the photo shop that wouldn't touch Japanese products.

In fact I was in a major London photo retailer about 25 years ago when someone came in enquiring about Panasonic cameras and was told to try the hardware shop further down the road as proper photo shops don't handle that stuff. They did handle other Japanese brands by then, but not something that sounded like a vacuum cleaner. That shop has gone but Panasonic remain!

Times change
This is funny to me as well; people for years even argued the merits of the Nikon EDG as an "alpha" since it was produced in Japan as opposed to Germany. Funny how things change.
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The Chicom's are said to have a 100 year plan of domination based on Western Greed and they are well on their way to success.

For the last 20 some years any Western Company wanting to do business in Chicom territory had to turn over their R&D and other intellectual properties, as cost of doing business in China - that's just greed on the their/USA business companies part seeking higher profits. The Chicom's would reverse engineer those hi-tech products and then filed a zillion patent applications.

Apple and like corporations are building plants in China under China's rules for doing business. What doesn't get turned over, the Chicom's are able to steal via stealth cyber means and what all this amounts to is the theft of $600 Billion a year in intellectual property from USA Companies.

Slick Willie gave permission for USA companies to assist the Chicom's in developing their aerospace industry - we know how all that turned out to benefit the Chicom's.

The Chicom's are a force to be reckoned with and the clock is ticking. The West needs to muster the political will to stand-up and be counted, while the USA Education System needs to rid itself of the socialists and get back to education.

I think Europe is taking a bigger overall hit and that will probably show its ugly side in 10 years or less. Yup, things are changing, but not the way I would like to see them change.

What has all this to do with China manufacturing optics? I'm pretty sure Chicom can make optics as well as any other Nation.
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i simply do not understand why a rather large place like the usa empire does not have the education, skill base or other ability to make good optics. can they not make good glass? just beer bottles? is it because they freed their slaves and thus have to use cheap factories abroad? sold yourselves out it seems. the countries that lost the ww2 both germany and japan make the best optical devices you all say and now you disparage the chinese. well they certainly seem to make better 'things' than usa does. and better profit for your masters too. stop buying the chinese, japanese and german stuff and see if any americans have the ability to make them from amongst your educated class and manufacturing cities. cant be that hard.
How’re the British optics manufactories doing these days?
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...while the USA Education System needs to rid itself of the socialists and get back to education...
For the record, plenty of strong critics of pathological trends in education in the USA are socialists. :)

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I'm always a fan of keeping American jobs, but the notion that "made in China" means lower quality is a misconception. Most companies that outsource to China have traveling reps that oversee the manufacture of their goods to ensure quality control, so nah not necessarily mass produced Chinese junk. As long as you aren't buying $10 binoculars off eBay with impossibly high magnification and obviously inaccurate objective diameter, I wouldn't worry about being made in China unless you're talking strictly from an ethical standpoint. Nikon makes a lot of their stuff in China too, just sayin...

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The old 8.5x50 "regular/non-HD" Viper I bought are nice even though FOV is tight. Very even field twixt globe effect & pincushion listing ever so slightly to PC. Just noted on a low bright cloudy day purple fringing on last 15% if I kicked me eyes from center to edge. Well made taut focuser shows no play either way & MIJ.

The 15X56 Pterodactyl, dino of big eyes, was an excellant value. More PC than the 8.5, same solid focus w/o play MIC.

Whether such construction will continue from China labour remains to be seen. Still, the Viper warranty is solid & w/o such I would not have purchased any models. Still, if the percentage of returned units reaches a certain level either Vortex or the purchasers will grow weary of the headache.

I have a riflescope I purchased, MIP, after the bins. The gease inside the zoom hardened a while back. Vortex explaination was due to sitting in a gun safe. Funny, as the bins sit around a lot, esp the 8.5, though they focus as smooth as evah.

Yes, I contacted Vortex & can return the scope which they claim will be disassembled, cleaned & greased. Undoubtedly I hope w/superior grease. Had they used the same lubricant as the MIJ bins, or apparently the MIC as well, I would not have this issue.

ETA: As well MIJ/MIC/MIP could to a degree boil down to pot luck though the more expensive models should be superior in on eor more arenas, yet possibly similar in others.
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