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Old Saturday 14th July 2018, 20:01   #1
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Do ya think Gulls think?

This article appeared today on the front page of the San Jose Mercury News. So do ya think they really know what they're doing?

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Old Sunday 15th July 2018, 02:54   #2
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to know to repeat a thing that worked the first time around does not sound off. The real test of intelligence is for the bird to find a way to communicate the learned stuff to another gull from the population.

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Old Sunday 15th July 2018, 03:27   #3
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to know to repeat a thing that worked the first time around does not sound off. The real test of intelligence is for the bird to find a way to communicate the learned stuff to another gull from the population.
Actually, it could be a case of not learning from experience but of greedily going after the garbage and getting trapped under the tarp a second time. Not the worst of fates from the gull’s perspective as things turned out but it would have given it a scare. . ..
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Old Sunday 15th July 2018, 11:21   #4
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Actually, it could be a case of not learning from experience but of greedily going after the garbage and getting trapped under the tarp a second time.
How long would it take a driver to pull a tarpaulin over an 14 ft high 18-wheeler dump truck, using muscle power and a long metal pole?

I have difficulties imagining that this would be the kind of quick action required to trap a sea gull.

On the other hand, I have no difficulties imagining a driver would skip that operation, especially when the load is compact and not in danger of actually flying off (by his estimate).

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to know to repeat a thing that worked the first time around does not sound off. The real test of intelligence is for the bird to find a way to communicate the learned stuff to another gull from the population.

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Would it really be intelligent to pass on details of an action that confers a competitive/re-productive advantage to a competing member of the same species?


Might make sense to it's 'selfish genes' if it passed this learned behaviour to a close family member. Otherwise the intelligent way might be to do everything to keep this technique a secret.

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