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Old Monday 6th February 2017, 03:44   #26
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Chuck,

You didn't ruffle my feathers with your comments, I just didn't understand why you thought the ED2 could not serve as a full time bino. I think the slop present in your focus knob is much greater than what exists in mine or the other ZR models I own/have owned. You could try contacting ZR support about getting a fix; they responded quickly when I had an issue with my ED3 and fixed it at no charge.
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Old Monday 6th February 2017, 09:47   #27
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One other possibility here I need to mention...I may have gotten a unit not to the standards it normally would be. This is the first Zen-Ray product I've ever purchased. I worked today but had a minute to make a REALLY quick video of the slack/slop in the focus adjustment. See if it matches yours...

So didn't mean to step on any toes...I think for the most part this is a good group here!

Maybe this link will work?

https://youtu.be/iU7baKr5ZtA

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That's pretty much the play that I have on the two I have handled. I see it as a little under one of the divisions on the rubber strip grips on the focus wheel.
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Old Monday 6th February 2017, 21:50   #28
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Chuck,

It looks like your 7X36 has close to twice as much free play travel as mine. Although it is hard to tell from a video, it looks like yours is much looser. It did not look like there was much resistance when you were rotating the wheel. Mine has somewhat of a spongy feeling when in the free play rotation area. I have no problem with quickly locking onto a focus. That may be helped by the generous depth of field from a 7x.

I am not seeing any noticeable pupil truncation in mine. This is just casually holding the binocular at arms length toward a a white source and lining up the exit pupil the best I can.

My suggestion is to contact Charles about these issues and arrange an exchange. The best way to contact him is using his direct e-mail address. Be sure and request him to check out the replacement first before sending it out.

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...9&postcount=10

I am curious what you are seeing in terms of color balance. Comments in another post mentioned they now have the same coatings as the ED3. I find the ED3 to have a very sight warm balance but less than my original ED2 7X36.

I am also curious as to how it compares to your Athlon Ares 8X42 since they appear to share the same design. Does the Ares have similar free play or truncated pupils? Also, are the general optical properties similar (brightness, color balance, center view percentage, etc.)?

The ED2 is not a Zeiss SF, but I can use it all day birding and be satisfied. My biggest issue is not with the Zen-Ray, but the power as a 7X is not enough for my more wide open spaces. I hardly ever do close in viewing.

As far as the example binocular on the right in your example photo, my guess is a Zeiss, and I will go with your SF 8X42.
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Old Tuesday 7th February 2017, 00:25   #29
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Chuck:

You mention some binoculars you have used and loan to others. How about the
Tract Toric, how does that perform compared to the Vortex Viper ?

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Old Tuesday 7th February 2017, 15:14   #30
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Chuck,

My toes don't feel stepped on

That focus slop is about 10x at least greater than any of mine. Could be we are seeing a closeout and what is left are out of spec units returned or not sold at regular prices.

You have likely done this, but work the focus wheel back and forth from one stop to the opposite. Sometimes the grease needs to be spread around inside.

I sort of groan inside when I see focus problems. Not a single binocular made avoids the issue. What you illustrate is not acceptable for general use. That would irritate me too.
I told you! SLOP! HAHA! Don't worry I sat on the couch and moved the adjustment from stop to stop more than a few times before ever heading out with it. In most of my binocular purchases I've found that once it's pulled from the box that's as slop-free as its prob going to get, frequently gets worse as the years go by. I have a few binoculars that truly are seemingly as precise and tight as the day they were pulled from the box.

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Chuck,

You didn't ruffle my feathers with your comments, I just didn't understand why you thought the ED2 could not serve as a full time bino. I think the slop present in your focus knob is much greater than what exists in mine or the other ZR models I own/have owned. You could try contacting ZR support about getting a fix; they responded quickly when I had an issue with my ED3 and fixed it at no charge.
I guess mainly because I know you had a FL 7X42 and I do too. The difference isn't a night/day difference but for me and my uses, WELL worth the price difference. You need another FL right by you to compare....

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That's pretty much the play that I have on the two I have handled. I see it as a little under one of the divisions on the rubber strip grips on the focus wheel.
From the OPs posting, I expected SOME. Nothing like what I have here.

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Chuck,

It looks like your 7X36 has close to twice as much free play travel as mine. Although it is hard to tell from a video, it looks like yours is much looser. It did not look like there was much resistance when you were rotating the wheel. Mine has somewhat of a spongy feeling when in the free play rotation area. I have no problem with quickly locking onto a focus. That may be helped by the generous depth of field from a 7x.

I am not seeing any noticeable pupil truncation in mine. This is just casually holding the binocular at arms length toward a a white source and lining up the exit pupil the best I can.

My suggestion is to contact Charles about these issues and arrange an exchange. The best way to contact him is using his direct e-mail address. Be sure and request him to check out the replacement first before sending it out.

http://www.birdforum.net/showpost.ph...9&postcount=10

I am curious what you are seeing in terms of color balance. Comments in another post mentioned they now have the same coatings as the ED3. I find the ED3 to have a very sight warm balance but less than my original ED2 7X36.

I am also curious as to how it compares to your Athlon Ares 8X42 since they appear to share the same design. Does the Ares have similar free play or truncated pupils? Also, are the general optical properties similar (brightness, color balance, center view percentage, etc.)?

The ED2 is not a Zeiss SF, but I can use it all day birding and be satisfied. My biggest issue is not with the Zen-Ray, but the power as a 7X is not enough for my more wide open spaces. I hardly ever do close in viewing.

As far as the example binocular on the right in your example photo, my guess is a Zeiss, and I will go with your SF 8X42.
A thought....those of you that live out west, focus adjustment may not be a critical for you especially as mentioned with a 7X binocular. Most birds I view are inside of 20 yards...many times closer. Sparrows, warblers, kinglets.... Focusing ALL the time on a moving bird. I need to go out west and see how y'all do it! I'm sure I'd probably leave the 7X's at home.

7X36 color...GOOD! Like I said...fix the focus, it's a good binocular. 7X36 is really the perfect idea for a 7X binocular....one doesn't need a 42mm objective. Huge FOV is really appreciated too. It really doesn't have to be flat to find/follow a bird.

Athlon Ares 8X42...good detective! For sure the Ares is the ED2 big brother. Focus IS much tighter with a SLIGHT amount of play with a good bit more friction.

Exit pupil pics are from the ED2 and FL 7X42. That FL is round as can be isn't it?


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Chuck:

You mention some binoculars you have used and loan to others. How about the
Tract Toric, how does that perform compared to the Vortex Viper ?

Jerry
Jerry...the Viper HD I currently have is the 8X32(love it BTW) although I HAD the 8X42. It's crossed my mind several times that I wish I still had it to directly compare. It's hard for me to go from memory comparing the Toric and the Viper HD 8X42...but I'd honestly have to say that they are very similar.
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Old Tuesday 7th February 2017, 15:55   #31
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Chuck:

You mention some binoculars you have used and loan to others. How about the
Tract Toric, how does that perform compared to the Vortex Viper ?

Jerry
My comparisons of the 8x42's showed the Tract superior to the Viper HD in most every way, and on par/slightly superior to the Razor HD, FWIW.
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Chuck, Thanks for all your comments and clarity, as well as everyone else. It is good to read a thread that offers up so much information and experience, without rancor.

Regarding focus play or 'slop', the Sightron 8x32 and Vanguard ed2 I own are smooth, low-friction, and free of play. The Tract Toric 8x42 is much stiffer, and also no play. On the other hand, I tried the Maven b3's, and found the focuser to be very smooth, but had a noticeable delay in engaging the gears when reversing focus. "precision slop" if you will. The worst focuser I've got is on the Leupold Yosemite 6x30. It is stiff and uneven in resistance, plus it has play in it. There's no pleasure to be found in that one, though it provides a thoroughly decent view, and sits on our kitchen table next to the feeder.

Considering one might be utilizing that aspect of the binocular for hours, it really does become a critical issue for a device with relatively few moving parts.

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Chuck, Thanks for all your comments and clarity, as well as everyone else. It is good to read a thread that offers up so much information and experience, without rancor.

Regarding focus play or 'slop', the Sightron 8x32 and Vanguard ed2 I own are smooth, low-friction, and free of play. The Tract Toric 8x42 is much stiffer, and also no play. On the other hand, I tried the Maven b3's, and found the focuser to be very smooth, but had a noticeable delay in engaging the gears when reversing focus. "precision slop" if you will. The worst focuser I've got is on the Leupold Yosemite 6x30. It is stiff and uneven in resistance, plus it has play in it. There's no pleasure to be found in that one, though it provides a thoroughly decent view, and sits on our kitchen table next to the feeder.

Considering one might be utilizing that aspect of the binocular for hours, it really does become a critical issue for a device with relatively few moving parts.

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Hi Bill...
I agree with your comments on every binocular you just named. The ED II is among the best.

I couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the focus adjustment. I used four binoculars today....with a range from EXCELLENT to POOR where focus adjustment is concerned. It is really trying when using a a binocular with a poor functioning adjustment...
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Hi Bill...
I agree with your comments on every binocular you just named. The ED II is among the best.

I couldn't agree more with your comments regarding the focus adjustment. I used four binoculars today....with a range from EXCELLENT to POOR where focus adjustment is concerned. It is really trying when using a a binocular with a poor functioning adjustment...
Chuck:

I suppose you can just come out and say it, a poor focusing binocular
will never please, and I don't care what brand. Yours sounds like junk.

It just affects the attitude the minute you use it. I rate the focuser high
on the list of important attributes. I can overlook many things, but not
a focuser.

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I suppose you can just come out and say it, a poor focusing binocular
will never please, and I don't care what brand. Yours sounds like junk.

It just affects the attitude the minute you use it. I rate the focuser high
on the list of important attributes. I can overlook many things, but not
a focuser.

Jerry
Absolutely correct! It ruins the whole thing for me....
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I understand, Chuck. The focus problems on yours are much, much worse than on mine.

The optics of these things are very impressive, though. Yes, the FL was probably a bit better in a few ways (slightly brighter, better edge performance), but I really like these ED2.
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I've had so many binoculars that have play in the focus mechanism, and often much worse (looping focus, for which I return bins).. that, wrt China Bins, I come to expect it as the norm. Perhaps I should be more demanding.
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I have considered to get a Zen Ray 7x36 earlier but became doubtful of the useable eye relief because of that the lenses seem too much recessed from the eyecup.
The eye lenses look large however, and maybe I would give this binocular a chance, because with my new eyeglasses I come closer to the eyepiece than before.
But when I look at the video with the focuser play it does not feel good: actually today I shipped my Zeiss Conquest HD 8x42 to service because of such an issue(and for replacement to longer eyecups). In the long run it feels annoying. It should not be on a quality binocular!
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