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Old Tuesday 1st January 2019, 12:51   #1
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Raptor Tunisia

Photo taken by Hamadi Asfour (shared with permission) in Tunisia in spring. What do you guys think ?

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Old Tuesday 1st January 2019, 13:02   #2
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Dark Booted?
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Old Tuesday 1st January 2019, 13:11   #3
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Dark Booted?
My first impression too. But I'm disturbed by the lack of white spots on leading edge and, I guess more important, lack of contrast in flght feathers that are supposed to show paler inner primaries. Therefore, I wish to have confirmation.
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Do dark birds show these what we call 'headlights'?
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I think the majority of dark or rufous phase birds show the "landing lights" Andy. Certainly when out in Goa at the same time as you, we saw several at Chapora that all had them when they turned head on.
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I think the majority of dark or rufous phase birds show the "landing lights" Andy. Certainly when out in Goa at the same time as you, we saw several at Chapora that all had them when they turned head on.
18 years ago......!!!!!

Just checking Ferguson-Lees and yes, 'landing lights' should be shown on dark birds.
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It can't be Wahlberg's surely?
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Booted Eagle same point of view

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So you're saying that the OP is Booted?
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Andy, your reply in # 2 is as close to identifying the bird as possible. Apart from a clearer view of the l.l.s everything else adds up to Booted for me. I can't see LSE in this bird on just the one image.
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So you're saying that the OP is Booted?
yes, that's what I think,I would also expect more white on the bases of outer primaries in Wahlberg's
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Even considering me not feeling quite well, I don't agree here.

I see a large bird with longer wings and deeper cut "fingers" than, say, Buzzard or Booted Eagle.

The broad, prominent, black terminal band on the tail is not a trait for dark Booted Eagle on which I'd expect white "position-lights", and a slightly paler wedge at the junction between secondaries and primaries on the underwing.

Heavy bill (and feet!), and far too long and prominent yellow gape for said smaller species.

In sum a cautious (hangover) suggestion would be an adult of the resident, dark, North African subspecies of Golden Eagle.

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Even considering me not feeling quite well, I don't agree here.

I see a very large bird with longer wings and deeper cut "fingers" than, say, Buzzard or Booted Eagle.

The broad, prominent, black terminal band on the tail is not a trait for dark Booted Eagle on which I'd expect white "position-lights", and a slightly paler wedge at the junction between secondaries and primaries on the underwing.

Heavy bill (and feet!), and far too long and prominent yellow gape for said smaller species.

In sum a cautious (hangover) suggestion would be an adult of the resident, dark, North African subspecies of Golden Eagle.

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Dark tail band on this one...

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Admitted, but still.......
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It does not show any obvious (it is barely visible) barring in the primaries and secondaries and seems almost too dark for a dark morph booted eagle and the inner primaries does not seem notably paler than the rest of the primaries or in strong contrast to the secondaries, I agree with P.Sunesen on his points about the bird, though I think it also seems too small for a Golden Eagle. But it is hard to say from a single pic
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Compare with this image: https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sh...hp?photo=91125
Going through all the images of Booted E in the FB gallery, I feel the OP bird shows longer hand/shorter arm. I am also disturbed by the secondaries and most primaries not being as dark as I would expect.

Does anyone have images to link to images of Golden E from Tunesia?

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this is not an easy picture (almost all details lacking and lots of artefacts)
just blow up the pic on your screen and you will see that the gape line is exactly one (1) pixel broad with adjacant upper and lower pixels jpeg artefacts, the 'bill' is mostly made of 4 overexposed white pixels (light reflections on the cere)
more pics may prove me wrong but I am missing the bulge of secondaries of Golden Eagle and the square cut tail with narrow subterminal bar (much narrower than I would expect in Golden Eagle) just fits better Booted
Not 100 % sure though and Peter normally gets it right (at least when he is not in an hangover ;-)

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isn't it a dark morph marsh harrier?
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isn't it a dark morph marsh harrier?
That came in to my thoughts earlier but I dismissed it.
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isn't it a dark morph marsh harrier?
Marsh Harrier has only 5 fingers
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Fingers and hand not correct for a Marsh Harrier surely. Incredible that just one photo can so far lead to a possible 5 species so far? And the variety in sizes from a harrier up to a Golden Eagle.
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Photo taken by Hamadi Asfour (shared with permission) in Tunisia in spring. What do you guys think ?
... has he got any more photos of the same bird?

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My first impression was Golden too.
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... has he got any more photos of the same bird?

I asked him, waiting for reply.
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LSE seems a lot more likely than Booted to my eyes..
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