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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 08:03   #26
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 14:07   #27
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Could get large scale colonisation of UK by vultures, with all the corpses for them to feed off . . .



Worth noting that vultures' digestive systems are so powerful that they can kill off most, if not all, disease organisms, including botulism and (IIRC) anthrax. So having them around makes for good hygeine.
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Hey guys, I wasn't trying to start another Brexit debate, the thread was about peregrine populations, and quite logically led from talk about pesticide residues to effects of Diclofenac on vultures.

I thought it was necessary to clarify Laurie's earlier post about EU animal health legislation and its effect on vulture populations. He made a valid point about the unintended consequences of the 2002 legislation, but that has now been addressed by the EU, so don't continue to blame them for things they have fixed.
As far as Diclofenac is concerned, I agree we need an EU-wide ban - but the EU aren't forcing people to use it, France have been able to ban its use without the 'crooks in (sic.) Bussels' telling them not to.

As we are presumably (hopefully) all pro-conservation, it would be great if we could discuss conservation problems and their solution without bringing in emotive terms based on our own particular political prejudices. And for sure some of those problems arise from EU policies, not least the CAP.

FWIW I'm not shedding any tears over Brexit, I'm an Irish citizen and can look on with a degree of detachment at the latest instalment of the UK government soap opera, whilst hoping as an English resident it doesn't get too Mad Max come November...

...which brings me on to Nutcracker...I'm sure even the most pessimistic post-Brexit scenario isn't going to significantly increase the availability of human carcasses for avian necrophages...although I have every sympathy with your views, that's not so much Project Fear as Project Terror!

We'll see who is right and who is wrong soon enough, but it would be great if we could play nicely in the meantime...
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Old Thursday 29th August 2019, 17:38   #28
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I was going to post a picture of Bozza and link it to ‘Hey big (su)spender’ but i will risk going seriously off-topic

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Old Friday 30th August 2019, 11:12   #29
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Well said kb57 This is a bird & nature forum not somewhere to spout off personal views about a bunch of lying, forty-faced scumbagging cheats and their policies *not a big fan of politics*


I've yet to find or see Peregrines inland but get regular sightings, especially in the winter months, along the coastline
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Old Friday 30th August 2019, 13:34   #30
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Could get large scale colonisation of UK by vultures, with all the corpses for them to feed off . . .



Worth noting that vultures' digestive systems are so powerful that they can kill off most, if not all, disease organisms, including botulism and (IIRC) anthrax. So having them around makes for good hygeine.
I suppose that makes sense if your main diet is carrion. On a recent visit to the vulture house in Jonte Gorge France it was interesting to learn that the four species (Griffon, Black, Egyptian and Bearded) can between them completely remove a carcass, with each specialising in different parts, including in the case of the latter the bones. Another reason that's makes their persecution back in the day, and the recent poisonings that have been reported more baffling.
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I suppose that makes sense if your main diet is carrion. On a recent visit to the vulture house in Jonte Gorge France it was interesting to learn that the four species (Griffon, Black, Egyptian and Bearded) can between them completely remove a carcass, with each specialising in different parts, including in the case of the latter the bones. Another reason that's makes their persecution back in the day, and the recent poisonings that have been reported more baffling.
And amazingly quickly, too - a dead sheep can be completely gone in about half an hour.

Very often they were the 'collateral damage' of poisoning aimed at other species (most often wolves or foxes). But ivory & rhino poachers in Africa are deliberately targetting vultures so there's none around to alert rangers to new kills. Despicable.
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...which brings me on to Nutcracker...I'm sure even the most pessimistic post-Brexit scenario isn't going to significantly increase the availability of human carcasses for avian necrophages...although I have every sympathy with your views, that's not so much Project Fear as Project Terror!

We'll see who is right and who is wrong soon enough, but it would be great if we could play nicely in the meantime...
My remark was tongue-in-cheek, and I definitely hope it won't happen - but the risks are there, and real:
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Old Tuesday 19th November 2019, 12:44   #33
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Wakefield Cathedral has had Peregrines since 2015, live webcams available to view:

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Hey guys, I wasn't trying to start another Brexit debate, the thread was about peregrine populations, and quite logically led from talk about pesticide residues to effects of Diclofenac on vultures.

I thought it was necessary to clarify Laurie's earlier post about EU animal health legislation and its effect on vulture populations. He made a valid point about the unintended consequences of the 2002 legislation, but that has now been addressed by the EU, so don't continue to blame them for things they have fixed.
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As we are presumably (hopefully) all pro-conservation, it would be great if we could discuss conservation problems and their solution without bringing in emotive terms based on our own particular political prejudices. And for sure some of those problems arise from EU policies, not least the CAP.

FWIW I'm not shedding any tears over Brexit, I'm an Irish citizen and can look on with a degree of detachment at the latest instalment of the UK government soap opera, whilst hoping as an English resident it doesn't get too Mad Max come November...

...which brings me on to Nutcracker...I'm sure even the most pessimistic post-Brexit scenario isn't going to significantly increase the availability of human carcasses for avian necrophages...although I have every sympathy with your views, that's not so much Project Fear as Project Terror!

We'll see who is right and who is wrong soon enough, but it would be great if we could play nicely in the meantime...
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And amazingly quickly, too - a dead sheep can be completely gone in about half an hour.
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Many cities I know of have Peregrines utilising tall buildings now, sometimes just wintering birds but others breeding. I regularly see them around Birmingham City Centre and in the last few years around the centre of Wolverhampton too. Also seen them at a football match in Stoke. Most major cities in the Uk will I suspect, have wintering Peregrine's these days.
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A male that overwintered and left in May has returned to the Delph flats at Brierley Hill The tower blocks and the lower lying Fens Pools, Withymoor and the plentiful supply of pigeons bodes well for brightening up dull days around here...

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Many cities I know of have Peregrines utilising tall buildings now, sometimes just wintering birds but others breeding. I regularly see them around Birmingham City Centre and in the last few years around the centre of Wolverhampton too. Also seen them at a football match in Stoke. Most major cities in the Uk will I suspect, have wintering Peregrine's these days.
They breed every year on the Nottingham Trent University, Newton Building every year too and have done so for probably 15 years?

I've also seen them on Lincoln Cathedral.
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