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paul_j_c2000

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• Oct 5, 2003

• #1

Hi every one, you must cringe when you see my name ive been out again on river blackwater estuary, lovely day i have a couple of puzzlers for me anyway,the first one with the black tail marking i thought black tailed godwit the others on other pict one in front red shank one behind ? thanks for all your patience and help paul

 

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paul_j_c2000

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• Oct 5, 2003

• #2

this is the second pict

 

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logos

Well-known member

• Oct 5, 2003

• #3

Paul,

Pic #1 = Black-tailed Godwit

Pic#2 = Golden Plover and Redshank

Spud

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Oct 5, 2003

• #4

Nice pictures Paul,

A) Black-tailed Godwit - Well done. Maybe a juvenile moulting into winter plumage?
B) Redshank to the fore and a Grey Plover behind. I think both are adults.

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Oct 5, 2003

• #5

Hmm, okay maybe it is a Golden Plover but it's rather heavy looking to me and I would say it looks greyish-brown and not as bright as I would expect a Golden to look in such good light. Any pictures of it without a Redshank in front Paul?

 

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logos

Well-known member

• Oct 5, 2003

• #6

I agree that a clearer view is desirable.

Spud

 

Grousemore

Senior Member

• Oct 5, 2003

• #7

Paul,don't apologise for postings such as these;the bird ID section is my personal favourite and I have learned a lot by following the rationale of such as Michael F and Spud.You only have to see the number and speed of responses to realise that this area of BF is popular.

ps I'd say Golden Plover behind the Redshank.

 

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paul_j_c2000

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• Oct 5, 2003

• #8

plover pict

this is another bird from same picture they appear to be identical does this help paul

 

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Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Oct 5, 2003

• #9

American G-P could account for greyerness. Supercilium is pretty strong. Small bill indicates GP species. Get that miserable Redshank outta there...

Oops, you did. Back to the book....

 

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Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Oct 5, 2003

• #10

Still say GP.

 

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Edward woodwood

Member

• Oct 5, 2003

• #11

the paleness of the bird in certain areas be a photographic effect? Super is strong as on AGP but the front of the face and throat are too white and not shown nearly as much on first pic!
back end doesn't look quite right for AGP?
for me a GP

 

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logos

Well-known member

• Oct 5, 2003

• #12

I'll stick with Golden Plover then, the second bird shows barred flanks (streaked or plain in Grey) and a definitely small bill.

Spud

 

Michael Frankis

conehead

• Oct 5, 2003

• #13

I'm with Spud - Blackwit for the first pic, Redshank in front, European Golden Plover behind for the second.

Not enough black on the mantle feathering for American GP, and as Tim says, the rear end is the wrong shape (primaries not sticking out way beyond the tertials & tail). European GPs often show this much supercilium, particularly early in the winter when they still have traces of summer plumage

Hope the red eye is a photo effect! If not, it is the devil incarnate, masquerading as a Golden Plover 3

Michael

 

Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Oct 5, 2003

• #14

Fine, I was just rationalizing F'birder's comment on colour.

 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Oct 6, 2003

• #15

Charles Harper said:

Fine, I was just rationalizing F'birder's comment on colour.

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Thanks Charles, although I'd rationalise more by saying that I wasn't looking hard enough. As we discovered on another recent thread, jizz (which is what I went on) isn't always the best guide especially in photographs. Both birds obviously look quite grey for Golden Plover but they don't look right for Grey Plover either. Thinking about it, in some lights Goldens can look surprisingly 'non-golden' in colour, although I wonder if the greyness is an effect of the camera here or if they really looked that colour.

 

Charles Harper

Régisseur

• Oct 6, 2003

• #16

And I guess I get a lot of fulva here that look awfully non-golden-- until I get them next to a Grey Plover.