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Best side by side illustrations of Caspian, YLG, Herring etc?

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Old Saturday 18th January 2020, 15:50   #1
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Best side by side illustrations of Caspian, YLG, Herring etc?

Hi all,
Which publication in your opinion has the best lineup illustrations of the large white headed gulls in their different age groups so I can get to grips with tertials, coverts, primary patterns etc? I'd rather illustrations than photos ideally.
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Old Saturday 18th January 2020, 16:28   #2
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Hi all,
Which publication in your opinion has the best lineup illustrations of the large white headed gulls in their different age groups so I can get to grips with tertials, coverts, primary patterns etc? I'd rather illustrations than photos ideally.
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I would be very surprised if a better publication then "the gull bible" existed.

https://www.amazon.com/Gulls-Europe-.../dp/0713670878
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I would be very surprised if a better publication then "the gull bible" existed.

https://www.amazon.com/Gulls-Europe-.../dp/0713670878
I'd tend to agree, though apart from the thumbnails of adults only (no imms) on pp. 22-25 (standing birds) & pp. 26-32 (flight wingtips), it doesn't do side-by-side comparisons. The main illustrations are by species, with different age groups side-by-side, but not confusion species.
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That's the problem I was hoping might be resolved somewhere either in a book or online...
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Well that's the advantage of a paper book, you can look at several pages at once - we had lately a thread where some people considered non-electronic material obsolete, this is exactly the kind of use case. I am afraid that while other books may provide the drawings more conveniently the exhaustivness of the gull bible in terms of plumages and stages is hard to equal.
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Well that's the advantage of a paper book, you can look at several pages at once
Not without cutting it to pieces!
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Not without cutting it to pieces!
Consider the magic ritual of "folding" :)
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Consider the magic ritual of "folding" :)
Not if you want to look at pages 1 and 2 together at the same time . . .
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Get the old camera out, photograph the plates, cut and paste in photoshop and Robert is your father's brother.

Make your own plate.

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? This thread has gone completely pottery err, potty
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Herring vs. Caspian gull side by side. Okay, it only works this well for half of the page, comparing the other sides needs some head movement. Still, the level of clarity in both drawings and text is unparalleled and I personally find the addition of photos very helpful.

Not that I can actually ID any large gulls ...
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Thanks for the chat folks! When the book arrives I'll do some PhotoShopping ��
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Well that's the advantage of a paper book, you can look at several pages at once - we had lately a thread where some people considered non-electronic material obsolete
Open the Collins 'Bird guide' app and click compare...

But agreed, Olsen & Larsson book is the most detailed guide to identify large gulls.
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These by David Quinn are excellent; and a ground-breaking article by the much missed Martin Garner

https://britishbirds.co.uk/wp-conten...5_062_A004.pdf

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