Buteo...one that nearly got away.....or? (1 Viewer)

KenM · Jul 14, 2015

London, SW Essex July 3rd, whilst filming was interrupted by phone call, problems arose, and the clip was forgotten about, however subsequently found it this am, unfortunately these are the best shots I could grab. comments welcome. Cheers

lou salomon · Jul 14, 2015

considerable noise in these pics. don't see anything else than a pale common buzzard.

AllanM · Jul 14, 2015

Looks like buzzard, although has some osprey qualities!

KenM · Jul 14, 2015

The head looks quite small relative to the body, and the wings as AllanM suggested quite long, almost gull like. The upperparts (first shot) look interesting, will try and procure more grabs later.

cheers

dan pointon · Jul 14, 2015

KenM said:
The head looks quite small relative to the body, and the wings as AllanM suggested quite long, almost gull like. The upperparts (first shot) look interesting, will try and procure more grabs later.

cheers

Just looks like a Common Buzzard to me.

Morg · Jul 14, 2015

CB being mobbed by gulls - putting a little extra into the wing strokes and you are grabbing the odd angles.

Nutcracker · Jul 14, 2015

lou salomon said:
don't see anything else than a pale common buzzard.

Come, come! I do! There's a Lesser Black-back Gull as well 3

Biancone · Jul 14, 2015

Ignoring the gulls (why break the habit of a lifetime...?), this looks like a CB to me too. Overall shape, of tail in particular, wrong for Honey. Head/neck looks a little pointy in 1st image but probably an effect of distance and exposure, and effort.

tconzemi · Jul 14, 2015

Biancone said:
Ignoring the gulls (why break the habit of a lifetime...?), this looks like a CB to me too. Overall shape, of tail in particular, wrong for Honey. Head/neck looks a little pointy in 1st image but probably an effect of distance and exposure, and effort.

agree on CB although some pics suggest HB

KenM · Jul 14, 2015

Morg said:
CB being mobbed by gulls - putting a little extra into the wing strokes and you are grabbing the odd angles.

Here are three blow-ups (first three) from three different angles, consistently showing a smaller head than one might expect from CB, and a longer tail than one might expect on the third image? And for good measure here's a classic example from directly beneath.

Cheers

Mark Lew1s · Jul 14, 2015

Another for common buzzard.

Biancone · Jul 14, 2015

Hmm, the new (4th) image looks more like a Honey in one of its typical flight positions than the others! Head does look pointy but its hard to know how much significance to give this when the images are SO tiny and noisy - I mean, they're even worse than some of mine

. Don't think there will be a definitive ID from these. Still think balance of probabilities suggests CB (isn't that a pale breast band in one image?). You mention 'filming' - is there any video?
Brian

KenM · Jul 14, 2015

Biancone said:
Hmm, the new (4th) image looks more like a Honey in one of its typical flight positions than the others! Head does look pointy but its hard to know how much significance to give this when the images are SO tiny and noisy - I mean, they're even worse than some of mine . Don't think there will be a definitive ID from these. Still think balance of probabilities suggests CB (isn't that a pale breast band in one image?). You mention 'filming' - is there any video?
Brian

Will attempt to show the video, in the interim however, I only viewed the bird through the camera viewfinder, thus on replay today I was "struck" by the head shape and wing length, never having seen CB with such attributes, suffice to say that the latter are on show most days "outback".

Cheers

Andrew Rowlands · Jul 14, 2015

95% Buse variable for me; the video should help.

Morg · Jul 14, 2015

Deja vu

KenM · Jul 17, 2015

FWIW...the '' variable wing geometry'' of a passing Buteo video clip for consumption!

It has been suggested that the shots are ''noisey'', I have to agree, although this doesn't alter the perceived structure of the wings/tail, which are nonetheless subject to much ''aerial'' movement during flight mode.

The head shape however is IMO a much more reliable feature to consider, on the shots where the head is ''noisely'' seen, it can be no ''arte-factual'' coincidence, that it is of a shape that might best be described as always looking conical, or that which would fit neatly into an Isosceles triangle, quite the opposite of Buteo buteo, which fits neatly into a Bowler hat!

I would consider that head shape is indeed ''set in stone'' and demonstrably different when comparing the two candidates, supporting features being determined by flight variability and observer subjectivity, thus on balance I would suggest that the Buteo's candidature is weighed more towards HB than CB.

Cheers

https://youtu.be/hk8MmGh5MFs

lewis20126 · Jul 17, 2015

Common Buzzard

cheers, alan

KenM · Jul 17, 2015

lewis20126 said:
Common Buzzard

cheers, alan

Qualify the head shape....Honey Buzzard.

lou salomon · Jul 17, 2015

what's that ken? the bird in your pics is a common buzzard!

GusHawk · Jul 17, 2015

Another for Common Buzzard.

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