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Old Friday 24th November 2017, 18:04   #126
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Elliotia Nietner 1856
Nietner J. 1856. Entomological papers - being descriptions of new Ceylon Coleoptera, with such observations on their habits as appear any way interesting. [Second part.] J. Asiat. Soc. Bengal, 25:523-554.
p. 524: [here].
For those who can't read Latin, Elliotia honours Sir Walter Elliot, said to be from Madras (but who was originally a Scot), and described as a most careful and deserving naturalist.

It's a bit of a pity that such problems seemingly can't be avoided these days... (For generic names, in most cases, little more is needed than a 15-second visit to the online version of [Neave's Nomenclator Zoologicus].)
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Elliotia Nietner 1856
Nietner J. 1856. Entomological papers - being descriptions of new Ceylon Coleoptera, with such observations on their habits as appear any way interesting. [Second part.] J. Asiat. Soc. Bengal, 25:523-554.
p. 524: [here].
For those who can't read Latin, Elliotia honours Sir Walter Elliot, said to be from Madras (but who was originally a Scot), and described as a most careful and deserving naturalist.

It's a bit of a pity that such problems seemingly can't be avoided these days... (For generic names, in most cases, little more is needed than a 15-second visit to the online version of [Neave's Nomenclator Zoologicus].)
IRMNG is a little bit better in my opinion.

I hope the authors will be informed

There is a genus named Leucolia Mulsant & Verreaux, 1866, but I don't know its type species, however, HBW mention a theoretical genus called Chionogaster

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There is a genus named Leucolia Mulsant & Verreaux, 1866, but I don't know its type species,
Leucolia Mulsant, Verreaux & Verreaux 1866
Mulsant E, Verreaux J, Verreaux E. 1866. Essai d'une classification méthodique des Trochilidés, comprenant le catalogue de toutes les espčces connues de ces oiseaux. Mém. Soc. Imp. Sci. Nat. Cherbourg, 12:149-242.
p. 175: [here].

Originally included nominal species: L. fallax (Bourcier & Mulsant), L. quadricolor (Vieillot)/L. guatemalensis (Gould), L. violiceps (Gould), L. franciae (Bourcier), L. cyanocephala (Lesson), L. leucogaster (Gould), L. chionopectus (Gould), L. viridiceps (Gould), L. candidus (Bourcier), L. chionogaster (Tschudi)/L. turneri (Bourcier), L. hemileucurus (Gould).

No original type fixation; any of the OINS (that includes chionogaster) could become the type by a subsequent designation; but, so far, I've not been able to find a valid designation. (This name has been little used outside of the French literature. E.g., see its reception in Ibis [here].) Elliot 1879 [here] cited it in the synonymy of Uranomitra Reichenbach, from two sources neither of which was the OD, attributing two different 'types' to the name as taken for each of these sources neither of which was an OINS. Ridgway 1911 [here], who usually made the type of the names he cited clear, cited it in the synonymy of Agyrtria and had it followed by "(Type, ?)". If there is a designation, it is very probably posterior to the current date of copyright expiration.

A. chionogaster is suggested to be the type (or at least this is how I interpret the dagger symbol there) in James Jobling's Key to Scientific Names in Ornithology [here], but I don't know on which base; and this is not published work in the sense of the Code, hence cannot constitute a designation by itself.


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however, HBW mention a theoretical genus called Chionogaster
I see a few other signs that this name has been used, e.g., it is cited [here], and it is in James Jobling's Key to Scientific Names in Ornithology [here].
But of course just using it would not make it available, unless this was done before 1931.


BTW, the whole paper is now freely available [here].
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They use Leucolia for viridifrons and violiceps, problem solved

I'm expecting a replacement name for Elliotia very soon

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They use Leucolia for viridifrons and violiceps, problem solved
What they did solved nothing, I'm afraid. They wrote:
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This leaves Leucolia Mulsant et al., 1866, within which they considered Cyanomyia and Leucolia to be subgenera; they included violiceps in the former subgenus. The genus Leucolia sensu stricto included viridifrons as well as four other species that in the tree are included in other genera. This leaves viridifrons eligible as the type and indeed, it was tentatively so designated by Elliot (1879). Therefore, we recommend recognizing the genus Leucolia, and we fix viridifrons (Elliot, 1871) as its type species; this also includes transferring violiceps and wagneri from Cyanomyia to Leucolia. Rodríguez-Gómez & Ornelas (2015) further documented the close genetic relationship between violiceps and viridifrons.
In this text, they are obviously mixing the content of the [OD] of 1866 with that of Mulsant & Verreaux's Histoire naturelle des oiseaux-mouches, ou, Colibris constituant la famille des trochilidés of 1874 [here].
In the OD, no subgenera were recognized (Cyanomya is just cited as the generic name that was used by Gould for some of the species), and it seems obvious that Cyanomyia viridifrons Elliot 1871 [OD] cannot have been originally included in a genus described in 1866: there is definitely no way that it might be eligible to become the type.

A designation of violiceps would have been valid, assuming no earlier valid designation is hidden out there in the non-digitized literature; this was an OINS. The above is clearly not valid at all.
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Like Laurent, I've also noticed that there seems to be no valid type fixation for Leucolia, so it's application sensu Stiles et al. is opened to question.
Regarding Elliotia, I have a further question: did they comply to art. 13.1 of the Code, so the name can be available?

"13.1. Requirements. To be available, every new name published after 1930 must satisfy the provisions of Article 11 and must
13.1.1. be accompanied by a description or definition that states in words characters that are
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the taxon," [Bold mine]

They indeed describe the plumage of the species, but they present no diagnosis IMO. Or am I too severe in my interpretation?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I suppose that Elliotia Nietner 1856 complies with the article 12.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I suppose that Elliotia Nietner 1856 complies with the article 12.
I meant the bird genus Elliotia - I'm not sure it was properly erected in the Zootaxa paper.
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I meant the bird genus Elliotia
I understood ^^

Anyway, whatever if it was properly erected or not, the new name is not available because you know what.

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There are now at least 7 synonyms in 4 years for Zootaxa. The hall of shame now reads as follows:

1. Icterus "bullockorum" Chesser 2015.

2. "Cassicinae" Remsen, Powell, Schodde, Barker & Lanyon 2016.

3. "Inundicola" Bravo, Isler & Brumfield 2013.

4. "Tachurididae" Ohlson, Irestedt, Ericson & Fjeldsĺ, 2013.

5. "Ortalisini" David, 2014.

6. "Remsenornis" Piacentini 2017.

7. ''Elliotia'' Stiles, Remsen & Macguire, 2017

See further here: http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=241162&page=8

There is a remarkable commonality of authors, reviewers, patronym-people and editors among the above; a lack of serious rigour or challenge may lead to mistakes. In addition to the databases referred to in this discussion, several senior ornithologists seem to remain unaware of Google.*

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''Elliotia'' Stiles, Remsen & Macguire, 2017
A new replacement name is in process, dixit Stiles, ramen

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In addition to the databases referred to in this discussion, several senior ornithologists seem to remain unaware of Google
I'ld say that they don't want to waste their time to inquire if a name exists or not

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A new replacement name is in process, dixit Stiles, ramen
If the availability of Elliotia is questionable (cf. Vitor's comments above), it would be safer to re-describe the genus as new.
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If the availability of Elliotia is questionable (cf. Vitor's comments above), it would be safer to re-describe the genus as new.
I told them about it, so I believe they will do it as a new genus at all.
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What is the current synonym of Oreopyra leucaspis Gould, 1860 ? I'm looking for if a genus available for Lampornis hemileucus, but except Oreopyra or Prodosia Simon, 1918 (which is a junior homonym of Prodosia Dyar, 1914), I cannot find other. Thks

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What is the current synonym of Oreopyra leucaspis Gould, 1860 ?
Trochilus castaneoventris Gould 1851 [OD]. (Now in Lampornis Swainson 1827.)
(This name was based on a female, leucaspis [OD] on a male.)

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Vestipedes Lesson 1843, type species : Ornismya vestita, according to : https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/...e/261/mode/1up was ousted in favor of Eriocnemis Reichenbach, 1849 ? I missing something.
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https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/...e/264/mode/1up .
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/...e/322/mode/1up .
Not sure what pl. 29 & 30 are
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I didn't see this lil' note:

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/...e/124/mode/1up

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Lesson's name is clearly a vernacular, not even used in a generic sense and hence is not available
However, Richmond index genera does not indicate this genus as vernacular and does not sound like a vernacular name
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Richmond published a little note in a 1902 Auk saying Lesson's name Vestipedes is equivilent to Eriocnemis and should be used.
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/...e/125/mode/1up .
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Apparently, modern taxonomists prefer to follow Peters's note rather than Richmond.
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Clark, McGuire, Bonaccorso, Berv, Prum. [in press.] Complex coevolution of wing, tail, and vocal sounds of courting male bee hummingbirds. Evolution.
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Colibri thalassinus

Hernández-Soto, M., Licona-Vera, Y., Lara, C. et al. Molecular and climate data reveal expansion and genetic differentiation of Mexican Violet-ear Colibri thalassinus thalassinus (Aves: Trochilidae) populations separated by the Isthmus of Tehuantepec. J Ornithol (2018). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10336-018-1540-5

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The present day distribution and spatial genetic diversity of Mesoamerican biota reflect a long history of responses to complex topography, geological history and climate changes. The hummingbird Colibri thalassinus thalassinus is distributed in northern Mesoamerica, with geographically disjunct populations mainly separated by the Isthmus of Tehuantepec (IT). Based on sampling across the species range in Mexico, we use mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequences and distributional projections derived from ecological niche modeling (ENM) to test whether (1) populations are genetically differentiated according to the fragmented distribution of C. thalassinus thalassinus in Mexico, and (2) historical demographic patterns of these hummingbird populations correspond to those of expanded populations during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM). Analysis of genetic variation revealed two main mtDNA lineages: populations west of the IT along the Sierra Madre Oriental, Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt and Sierra Madre del Sur and populations east of the isthmus in Chiapas and Guatemala. A significant signal of genetic differentiation, demographic expansion near the LGM, and contractions/expansions of suitable environmental conditions during the LGM fit a model of lineage divergence west of the isthmus after the LGM, and that the species’ suitable habitat was continuous connecting populations on either side of the isthmus. We conclude that the genetic differentiation of C. thalassinus thalassinus in Mexico resulted from recent geographical isolation of populations separated by the IT. In addition, this scenario is supported by the modeled paleodistribution that suggests that populations expanded during the LGM, and that the spread of the species into the highlands caused habitat fragmentation and population isolation for C. thalassinus thalassinus during the interglacial periods. The findings corroborate the profound effects of Pleistocene climatic fluctuations on the genetic differentiation of C. thalassinus thalassinus in Mexico but challenge the generality of glacial refugia.
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Proposal (780) to SACC

Change the generic classification of the Trochilinae (part 1)
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The surprise in the second group is Thalurania ridgwayi, which has always been included in this genus since its description, based upon its green throat and chest, dark abdomen and bright blue-violet crown. However, the genetic data preclude inclusion of ridgwayi in Thalurania; moreover, a closer examination of its plumage reveals previously overlooked similarities in plumage with Eupherusa. Furthermore, its Pacific slope distribution accords much better with that of Eupherusa than that of Thalurania, which extends northward in the Caribbean lowlands to Guatemala and only occupies the Pacific slope from southwestern Costa Rica southwards into South America. Hence, we advocate inclusion of ridgwayi in the genus Eupherusa. The only other option would require naming a new genus for ridgwayi, which we deem unnecessary given its close genetic relationship to Eupherusa.
Even if "Thalurania" ridgwayi and Eupherusa are very close, for me, they have nothing in common. "T" ridgwayi is distinguished from all Eupherusa species by the lack of red feathers on the secondaries and tertiary and the absence of white external rectrice.

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