turkeylandman
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Which Buntings? (1 Viewer)
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Mike Crawley
Emeritus President at Burnage Rugby Club
I'm using a small tablet computer so not 100% but picture 1 looks like a Pine Bunting on here and picture 2 looks like Corn Buntings
Hope that helps and apologies in advance if my ID is incorrect
EDIT - don't listen to me !!! :-C
Hope that helps and apologies in advance if my ID is incorrect
EDIT - don't listen to me !!! :-C
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turkeylandman
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thanks and no worries I'll see what else comes up for the first photo
Deb Burhinus
Used to be well known! 😎
Well I’m also using a ‘small tablet computer’ but #1 looks like a male Cirl Bunting to me.
(ps agree with Mike - CBs for image #2 (juveniles))
(ps agree with Mike - CBs for image #2 (juveniles))
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turkeylandman
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This out of the range for a pine bunting, I'll await other suggestions
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Cirl Bunting for me too for #1
#2 not sure; first thought was Reed Buntings, but pale pink leg colour wrong for that.
#2 not sure; first thought was Reed Buntings, but pale pink leg colour wrong for that.
dwatsonbirder
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Male Cirl and 2 juv. Corn buntings.
turkeylandman
Well-known member
ok thanks Cirl Bunting and corn buntings ..
Mike Crawley
Emeritus President at Burnage Rugby Club
struggling with differentiating colours at the moment - but the screen (and my specs) is a bit smudged with sweaty finger prints.....
Deb Burhinus
Used to be well known! 😎
That wasn’t a dig at you Michael - I was using your excuse as a cover for myself - I credited you with the CBs
Alexander Stöhr
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I just wanted to add an id-feature that is unique to Corn Bunting against Yellowhammer and Cirl Bunting:
the median-crown-stripe is narrow and clear cut and of even wide from the base of the bill up to the forehead.
In Cirl Bunting this stripe (if present) extremly rarely reaches the bill (in 1 cy) and is not so obvious, or is absent. In Yellowhammer it normally doesnt reaches the bill and is broadest on the forehead.
Examples are here: https://www.vinehousefarm.co.uk/wp_...mages/4249/yellowhammer_3-scaled-752x9999.jpg, https://shropshirebirder.co.uk/gall...oadsands Bay 26 3 10 !MG_9925 1_filtered.jpg
This is easily seen on the left bird and is just discernable on the right bird of the OP.
the median-crown-stripe is narrow and clear cut and of even wide from the base of the bill up to the forehead.
In Cirl Bunting this stripe (if present) extremly rarely reaches the bill (in 1 cy) and is not so obvious, or is absent. In Yellowhammer it normally doesnt reaches the bill and is broadest on the forehead.
Examples are here: https://www.vinehousefarm.co.uk/wp_...mages/4249/yellowhammer_3-scaled-752x9999.jpg, https://shropshirebirder.co.uk/gall...oadsands Bay 26 3 10 !MG_9925 1_filtered.jpg
This is easily seen on the left bird and is just discernable on the right bird of the OP.
Deb Burhinus
Used to be well known! 😎
Well done a very analytical, textbook account on comparative median crown stripes!
I do think, speaking from my own field teaching experience, there are other more readily apparent features to separate these 3 species in the field and for the uninitiated, discussion of the variable presence and comparative widths of median crown stripes may possibly be over-complicating things. I have found that when ‘teaching basic ID skills’ to people in the field, I just focus on the main features and ask them to note the bill shape/ colour, face pattern/colours, rump colour, leg length/colour, wing length and tail length and finally to compare the size of the bird with one they know - that gets us through most common species! Tempting though it is to try and show off one’s expertise sometimes it’s not helpful in the case of common birds - people remember ‘simplicity’
I do think, speaking from my own field teaching experience, there are other more readily apparent features to separate these 3 species in the field and for the uninitiated, discussion of the variable presence and comparative widths of median crown stripes may possibly be over-complicating things. I have found that when ‘teaching basic ID skills’ to people in the field, I just focus on the main features and ask them to note the bill shape/ colour, face pattern/colours, rump colour, leg length/colour, wing length and tail length and finally to compare the size of the bird with one they know - that gets us through most common species! Tempting though it is to try and show off one’s expertise sometimes it’s not helpful in the case of common birds - people remember ‘simplicity’
