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Old Wednesday 1st April 2020, 06:36   #1
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Nightingales lose wing length

In response to global warming.............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52111309
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Old Wednesday 1st April 2020, 09:23   #2
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Suspect this one might be a 1 April special? The link to the article in The Auk is dead.
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Old Wednesday 1st April 2020, 10:10   #3
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Suspect this one might be a 1 April special? The link to the article in The Auk is dead.
It wouldn't be an obvious one and would be lost on most including me?
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Old Wednesday 1st April 2020, 12:50   #4
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I think it's legit, though I'm not so sure I agree with the conclusions. As you hint Andy, there's nothing amusing or wacky to suggest it's a 1st April joke!
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I think it's legit, though I'm not so sure I agree with the conclusions. As you hint Andy, there's nothing amusing or wacky to suggest it's a 1st April joke!
Same. I googled one of the scientists named, and he is legit, but the entire premise of shorter wing length being a response to global warming has little face validity.
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Same. I googled one of the scientists named, and he is legit, but the entire premise of shorter wing length being a response to global warming has little face validity.
I can only think of the validity if the birds stopped migrating, or didn't migrate as far. But this isn't the reasoning he uses apparently.

I know of no records of Nightingale in the WP in the winter (happy to be proved wrong) but good luck in finding one in the winter or even when they have stopped singing.
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Suspect this one might be a 1 April special? The link to the article in The Auk is dead.
Both scientists have published a fair bit of work. Does anybody have the title of the paper or the doi...? I'd like to read their rationale in full before commenting on the findings.

By the way, Breitbart is in full apocalyptic rage about this paper, commenters calling for the scientists to be barred from any further work for daring to assert that climate change is real. Others are calling for The Auk to be shut down... ...and those are but two of the less extreme commnets...
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Both scientists have published a fair bit of work. Does anybody have the title of the paper or the doi...? I'd like to read their rationale in full before commenting on the findings.

By the way, Breitbart is in full apocalyptic rage about this paper, commenters calling for the scientists to be barred from any further work for daring to assert that climate change is real. Others are calling for The Auk to be shut down... ...and those are but two of the less extreme commnets...
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Nothing listed here for the latest issue:
https://academic.oup.com/auk/issue/137/1

Suspect it may be a paper in prep.? There's also a bit about it in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-crisis
Of course breitbart etc will be livid because of evolution, as well as climate change . . . a double whammy for them
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From this press page:
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...-ccm032520.php

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"Climate change and maladaptive wing shortening in a long-distance migratory bird" will be available April 1, 2020, at https://academic.oup.com/auk/article...93/auk/ukaa012.
Link still dead; I guess available later today (USA time a few hours behind UK) or tomorrow?
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Nothing listed here for the latest issue:
https://academic.oup.com/auk/issue/137/1

Suspect it may be a paper in prep.? There's also a bit about it in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...climate-crisis
Of course breitbart etc will be livid because of evolution, as well as climate change . . . a double whammy for them
So what made you think it was an April fool Nutty, never even occured to me or most others?
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So what made you think it was an April fool Nutty, never even occured to me or most others?
Because the link given didn't link to anything


Have to admit, I'm still a mite dubious, until I see hard evidence the paper actually exists
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Because the link given didn't link to anything


Have to admit, I'm still a mite dubious, until I see hard evidence the paper actually exists ;)
But it's not remotely comical or widely appealing enough, most of 'Joe public' wouldn't even realise they'd been duped if they had been?
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Because the link given didn't link to anything


Have to admit, I'm still a mite dubious, until I see hard evidence the paper actually exists
Same.
Though, doesn't quite make sense for an April fools prank.
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It is quite plain: the Nightingale is evolving into a flightless bird unique to Britain.

Extrapolating the current trend, within 500 years or so, Nightingales in Britain will become as flightless as kiwis. This completely follows the current scientific reasoning. We all read in countless climate papers, that the short-term trends can be simply extrapolated over time with no regard to time brackets. There are examples of flightless songbirds on islands. It is also documented, that flightlessness in island birds can evolve very fast (the White-throated Rail on Aldabra became flightless in few millenia). Since flightless bird cannot cross the English Channel, the gene flow with mainland will be broken, and Britain will get a new endemic species, as valid as the Scottish Crossbill.

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It is quite plain: the Nightingale is evolving into a flightless bird unique to Britain.

Extrapolating the current trend, within 500 years or so, Nightingales in Britain will become as flightless as kiwis. This completely follows the current scientific reasoning. We all read in countless climate papers, that the short-term trends can be simply extrapolated over time with no regard to time brackets. There are examples of flightless songbirds on islands. It is also documented, that flightlessness in island birds can evolve very fast (the White-throated Rail on Aldabra became flightless in few millenia). Since flightless bird cannot cross the English Channel, the gene flow with mainland will be broken, and Britain will get a new endemic species, as valid as the Scottish Crossbill.

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It is quite plain: the Nightingale is evolving into a flightless bird unique to Britain.

Extrapolating the current trend, within 500 years or so, Nightingales in Britain will become as flightless as kiwis. This completely follows the current scientific reasoning. We all read in countless climate papers, that the short-term trends can be simply extrapolated over time with no regard to time brackets. There are examples of flightless songbirds on islands. It is also documented, that flightlessness in island birds can evolve very fast (the White-throated Rail on Aldabra became flightless in few millenia). Since flightless bird cannot cross the English Channel, the gene flow with mainland will be broken, and Britain will get a new endemic species, as valid as the Scottish Crossbill.




Except the research was done in Spain
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It is quite plain: the Nightingale is evolving into a flightless bird unique to Britain.

the gene flow with mainland will be broken, and Britain will get a new endemic species, as valid as the Scottish Crossbill.

You mean Short-winged Crossbill I think.
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You mean Short-winged Crossbill I think.
Nope, the new name is Whingeing Crossbill
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Tweets from the AOS with details and explaining a delay:
https://twitter.com/AmOrnith/status/...876864003?s=20
https://twitter.com/AmOrnith/status/...582027776?s=20


And the paper out now:
https://academic.oup.com/auk/advance...dFrom=fulltext
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Speaking of Aprils fools day, I am not aware of a prank that was pulled by any of the media outlets which would be a first in my life time.

I did say to my wife, I wonder which way they'll jump, would they not publish anything on grounds of appropriateness or would they publish in an attempt to raise spirits?
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Speaking of Aprils fools day, I am not aware of a prank that was pulled by any of the media outlets which would be a first in my life time.

I did say to my wife, I wonder which way they'll jump, would they not publish anything on grounds of appropriateness or would they publish in an attempt to raise spirits?
I had the same thoughts Andy, a difficult balance had to be struck, reactions could have varied from “ How can you make jokes at a time like this?” to “ Well done, if there’s nothing to cheer me up I’ll cry with despair.”
In Switzerland yesterday, a Black-winged Kite turned up, the observers had to emphasise that it really wasn’t a “poisson d’avril” as they call April fool jokes!
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Except the research was done in Spain
But the quoted article does say "Although common in many parts of Europe and Asia, the bird is mainly seen and heard in southern England." Huh ?
Maybe Jurek is right !?
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But the quoted article does say "Although common in many parts of Europe and Asia, the bird is mainly seen and heard in southern England." Huh ?
Maybe Jurek is right !?
I noticed that. It needs 'in the UK' after the comma.
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