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Old Sunday 19th August 2018, 15:51   #1
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Moth ID help, Cornwall, UK

Hi,

Can I people help ID or confirm my ID's for these?

1) Grey Arches
2) Uncertain
3) False Mocha or un-banded Riband Wave
4) Flame Carpet
5) Slender Pug, or is the photo too poor for ID.

Thanks,

Tom
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Old Sunday 19th August 2018, 16:51   #2
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No 2 are both Vine's Rustic.
No 3 certainly isn't Riband Wave. I'm not familiar with False (or any other!) Mocha.

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Old Sunday 19th August 2018, 17:12   #3
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Thanks David, I can't believe I missed Vine's Rustic, I was staring at Uncertain & Rustic for ages, and managed to miss Vine's directly below it! A first for me though.

I think 3 might be a Clay Triple-lines now, possibly.
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3. How about Jersey Mocha?
4. is a Flame Carpet
5 Possibly a Currant pug

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Thanks Rose, It does look like a Jersey Mocha, from a quick google search, it's not even illustrated in my guide though. I'll have to wait to see what others think though, as it's pretty rare!

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Old Sunday 19th August 2018, 20:27   #6
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Yes to Jersey Mocha - though the last one I saw was the female from which this one was bred - https://ukmoths.org.uk/species/cyclo...iaria/adult-2/ - which was in 2004!

Slender Pug seems a reasonable guess but not Currant Pug for me which tends to be more uniform brown, white spots quite prominent and black band on the abdomen.

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Thanks Paul, that's great news about the Jersey Mocha, the rarest moth I've ever had, even beats the Waved Black I had the other week! Should I let the county recorder know?

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Absolutely. The state of my environmental record keeping is poor - one of my regrets from a lack of time.....

http://www.cornwallmothgroup.org.uk/record.php

I am aware that it is considered to be resident in Cornwall now though I've not trapped for it myself.

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Thanks Paul, that's great news about the Jersey Mocha, the rarest moth I've ever had, even beats the Waved Black I had the other week! Should I let the county recorder know?

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Hi.

Here is the address of the Cornish moth recorder Leon Truscott

[email protected]

He was very helpful to me while I was trapping in the Saltash area last summer. As it happens, I made the same mistake in identifying my Jersey Mochas as False Mochas, and for the same reason as you...it wasn't in my first edition Lewington.

I caught the first Waved Black for Cornwall on the Isles of Scilly two summers ago; so I guess yours will be the second.

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Hi.

Here is the address of the Cornish moth recorder Leon Truscott

[email protected]

He was very helpful to me while I was trapping in the Saltash area last summer. As it happens, I made the same mistake in identifying my Jersey Mochas as False Mochas, and for the same reason as you...it wasn't in my first edition Lewington.

I caught the first Waved Black for Cornwall on the Isles of Scilly two summers ago; so I guess yours will be the second.

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Hi Graham,

Iíve sent it onto him now, thanks for that. Well done on getting the first Waved Black, I didnít actually catch the Waved Black in Cornwall, i caught it in Plymouth - at work. I believe they have had a few records in Devon anyway but Iíve let the county recorder know.

I work shifts and when Iím in on nightshifts I leave the window open, and light on in the mess room and see what comes in. Iíve had 2 Waved Blacks in there this summer, and my first Old Lady last week, which was a real shock, as it would have gave me a black eye if I didnít move quickly enough, it was so big!

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Absolutely. The state of my environmental record keeping is poor - one of my regrets from a lack of time.....

http://www.cornwallmothgroup.org.uk/record.php

I am aware that it is considered to be resident in Cornwall now though I've not trapped for it myself.

All the best
Hi Paul,

I havenít started keeping records yet, but I will start now... I hope. Iím only just getting to grips with ID though, So it takes me even longer. Although, I donít catch a lot (between 5-15 per night) as I only have a little home made trap which I put out on my balcony, as I donít have much of a garden. Still, itís surprising what Iíve caught between here and my messroom at work!

Do you mind having a look at No.1 for me also?

Thanks again,

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Hi Graham,

Iíve sent it onto him now, thanks for that. Well done on getting the first Waved Black, I didnít actually catch the Waved Black in Cornwall, i caught it in Plymouth - at work. I believe they have had a few records in Devon anyway but Iíve let the county recorder know.

I work shifts and when Iím in on nightshifts I leave the window open, and light on in the mess room and see what comes in. Iíve had 2 Waved Blacks in there this summer, and my first Old Lady last week, which was a real shock, as it would have gave me a black eye if I didnít move quickly enough, it was so big!

Cheers,

Tom
The Waved Black I had on Scilly came into my bedroom light and landed on the ceiling. I think I was vaguely aware there were more Waved Black records just across the Tamar in Devon. I get to claim a county first for the sake of 2-3 miles or so!
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Is it relatively recent? I would be inclined to call it Cabbage Moth and you can see a spur on the right front foreleg on the first segment.

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Is it relatively recent? I would be inclined to call it Cabbage Moth and you can see a spur on the right front foreleg on the first segment.

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I caught it about 10 days ago. After doing a quick google search, it looks a better match for Cabbage Moth.

Thanks again Paul.

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The Waved Black I had on Scilly came into my bedroom light and landed on the ceiling. I think I was vaguely aware there were more Waved Black records just across the Tamar in Devon. I get to claim a county first for the sake of 2-3 miles or so!
That's funny, I've only ever seen one, it was here in Russia and it was on our bedroom ceiling!
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