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garry1366

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Originally posted to Surfbirds by Steve Preddy

There's a fascinating paper in the current issue of BB by Alan Dean and Lars Svensson, dealing with Siberian Chiffchaffs. Lars and Alan are commendably cautious in the way they word their conclusions - quite rightly so, as what they have to say is quite radically different from "accepted wisdom". However, if one follows their arguments through (with a bit of extrapolation/oversimplification) I think you get the something resembling the following.

1. Much of what's been written on Sibe Chiffchaff over the last few years is rubbish. As a result, if you think you've seen Sibe Chiffchaff in Britain, you almost certainly haven't, even if you heard it call and it didn't sound like a Common Chiffchaff - this just means you haven't been listening to Common Chiffchaffs carefully enough, as they have lots of calls, not just 'hweet'

2. Siberian Chiffchaffs are brown above and washed buff below, and not at all pale - when we say brown, they're not in Dusky Warbler's league but they're heading that way - forget the idea that they're "grey & white" - that's nonsense

3. There might be a discernible western population of Sibe Chiffchaffs which can be separated as "fulvescens", but there probably isn't and the idea that there is might just result from some overactive imaginations - all that's probably going on is a greater tendency towards some yellow in some parts of the plumage in the west of the range - apart from that the birds here are still essentially identical in appearance to tristis ... repeat - they're not "grey-and-white"

4. Grey & white chiffchaffs like those seen in Britain in many recent winters are just eastern abietinus Common Chiffchaffs ... follow the collybita-abietinus cline east, and this is what you get; the difference between these birds, which in some quarters have been called - incorrectly - "classic tristis", and "not so classic" birds, has no real significance - they're all just flavours of abietinus, or possibly hybrids. They're NOT tristis!

5. Whilst there is clearly a well-documented collybita-abietinus cline, there isn't anything like as much existing between abietinus and tristis; it's likely there's some hybridisation going on, but it could be just as unimpressive & insignificant as that between Common & Iberian Chiffchaffs.

6. Calls? ... Common Chiffchaff has a variety of calls, and there's a bit of geographic variation going on too; grey-and-white chiffchaffs, if they call oddly, are just reflecting that. Some of these calls can be transcribed in the same way as that of tristis, and so could easily fool observers who don't have experience of tristis into thinking that tristis is what they've heard ... WRONG!!!

7. As for grey-and-white chiffchaffs with "different-sounding" songs ... probably they're just "mixed singers" ... either hybrids, or birds of the race abietinus from near to the hybrid zone that have learnt the wrong song.

8. So, to recap, both Common Chiffchaffs and Siberian Chiffchaffs vary individually and geographically, Common Chiffchaff more so, to the extent that out-of-context pale eastern birds can give the impression that they're a different species from dingy western birds - but they're not. Common & "real" Siberian Chiffchaffs do however look different in all plumages, and have totally different songs ... now then, what's the genus we're dealing with here again? ... and when we get such striking differences in song between two different forms in this particular genus, especially when correlated with fairly sizeable DNA differences, what does that mean? Correct - we do have two different species, but their respective appearance is quite different from the mental images which most British birders currently have. Furthermore, most birders have only seen one of them in Britain - time to get the tippex out !!
 
Fascinating.

I haven't read the article - yet!

This will open up a huge debate surely.

Just one question. Where did they get their evidence? If it has been accepted wisdom about "classic tristis" how come everyone has been so wrong?

Darrell
 
An excellent summary - many thanks. Interesting to hear the cold water poured on the claims made in some birding mags that grey and white Chiffchaffs with a peeping call = classic tristis, since I've personally suspected these are just northern abietinus. Chiffchaffs are certainly a fascinating and challenging group.
 
Have just been reading this paper on the ferry to work; a real shake-up of the perceived wisdom, and a kick in the teeth for all those listers who've popped down to the local sewage works in recent winters to nail those grey and white 'tristis' Sibes.

It's certainly made me reassess the grey and white Chiffchaff that spent a couple of days in the plantation at Skaw last autumn - the call was the immediate give-away to it's presence, a low and persistent 'hooeee" - and allied with a strikingly pale grey-and-white appearance, I jumped to the conclusion this was tristis. How I wish I'd not been so presumptuous and had taken the time to study this more carefully. Looks like it was abietinus after all - we live and learn!

ce
 
There was a notable influx of abietinus Chiffchaffs on the British east coast last autumn. Because of the 'upside-down' call (ie 'hee-oo' and not 'hoo-ee') some were even misidentified as Greenish Warbler. I saw one of these presumed abietinus in North Yorkshire and the call was very similar to the tristis Chiffchaff call on the Hannu Jannes CD (Calls of Eastern Vagrants) but was slightly more downslurred at the end of the call.

Last year in Cornwall, in early August, I watched a Chiffchaff taking food to a nest that repeatedly gave strange calls. At first it was just calling with a single straight note that didn't veer either up or down (but too thin and high pitched for tristis), but then went into the 'upside-down' call that you associate with abietinus.

I love Chiffchaffs.
 
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Hi all,
Spare a thought for those of us who live in Ireland (or other countries): our copies of BB arrive later than yours, so I am eagerly awaiting this latest issue for the chiffchaff article alone...sounds fascinating!
It seems that the birds that I earmarked as 'possible tristis' are all 'eastern abietinus', but, intriguingly, what of the bird that I had one early spring at a local headland which gave a 'tristis-type' call but appeared too brown-toned to be one, based on my 'search image' at the time...hmm....
I agree with Tom: I love Chiffchaffs!
Regards,
Harry
 
CornishExile said:
Phyllosc-fiddler ;)

Phylloscophile surely ?

As with Harry I'm still waiting for my BB but it does sound like another classic British Birds paper. I am sometimes wary of identification articles in other corners of the birding press but with these authors and BB's reputation this promises to be the definitive word on Chiffchaffs for some time to come.

Stuart
 
tom mckinney said:
the call was very similar to the tristis Chiffchaff call on the Hannu Jannes CD (Calls of Eastern Vagrants) but was slightly more downslurred at the end of the call.

But would the recorded call actually be a tristis ? Where was it recorded? (I keep meaning to buy that disc!)

Steve
 
Steve Lister said:
But would the recorded call actually be a tristis ? Where was it recorded? (I keep meaning to buy that disc!)

Steve

Recorded Rajasthan, India, December 2001

The CD also includes eastern abietinus that were recorded in Finland for comparison. The sleeve notes then go on to say that this call is used by the majority of migrants and winter visitors in Israel.
 
tom mckinney said:
Recorded Rajasthan, India, December 2001

The CD also includes eastern abietinus that were recorded in Finland for comparison. The sleeve notes then go on to say that this call is used by the majority of migrants and winter visitors in Israel.

Cheers Tom - I will have to get round to buying it. Not that we get many eastern vagrants in Leicestershire - did have a supposed tristis a few years ago, and a mist-netted Red-flanked Bluetail (not seen by me I hasten to add).

Steve
 
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