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Old Thursday 27th July 2017, 16:10   #1
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Honey buzzards

After carefully checking their call sounds, I'm happy to confirm that there have been at least 3 honey buzzards hovering over the crags here in Callander for most of the past week!
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Old Thursday 27th July 2017, 16:18   #2
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Given I believe this would be an exceptional event, do you have any photos?
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Old Thursday 27th July 2017, 16:46   #3
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I'll try to get a video, with their call sounds.
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Old Thursday 27th July 2017, 18:04   #4
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Honey Buzzards don't normally hover over crags, or anywhere else come to that. They are a woodland species.

I suspect you have mistaken something else, maybe Common Buzzards. But photos would be nice to show what you have seen.

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These are definitely NOTCommon Buzzards which are even more frequent over the crags. And with a totally different call! I checked the RSPB website for a Honey buzzard call. And it matched perfectly. Like I said previously. I will try to get them on video, if possible.

And, by the way. The Callander crags are densely wooded anyway!
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Old Saturday 29th July 2017, 14:17   #6
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2.15pm. 29th July

If anyones interested, and in the area. There are two of them hovering over the crags at this very moment!
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Can you take a photo then?
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I'm interested! Can you message me details? Thank you
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I am in Stirling and have heard of several sightings recently.
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Old Saturday 29th July 2017, 16:19   #10
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Sounds like CBs but will happily eat my hat if they are Honeys��
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Sorry! Was busy elsewhere! I live at the foot of the crags and see them frequently from my back garden, usually accompanied by two exuberant chihuahuas!
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Where are the crags exactly? Thanks
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I invariably hear them before I see them. They are larger than common buzzards with wider wings. Usually a pair but often a trio. Not there at the moment, but I'll keep an eye out.
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Are the crags near the public toilets?
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Old Saturday 29th July 2017, 16:46   #15
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Where are the crags exactly? Thanks
Drive into the centre of Callander and turn left into the Meadows car park Just past the A81 turning.. The crags are the high, extremely impressive wooded hills, to the north of town.
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Old Saturday 29th July 2017, 16:59   #16
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I invariably hear them before I see them. They are larger than common buzzards with wider wings. Usually a pair but often a trio. Not there at the moment, but I'll keep an eye out.
"larger than common buzzards" - not a feature

"with wider wings" - not a feature

Nothing to see here, move along.

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As I said at the start. I think this would be an exceptional record, especially if 3 birds are concerned, so please view the scepticism in that light - therefore unless you can produce some photos I think most will dismiss your report, and I certainly doubt it will be accepted by your local recorder.

The wings of juvenile common buzzards (that are taking to the air about now) often look wider than the adults, they call incessantly begging for food, and the begging call is certainly similar to the flight call I have heard from Honey Buzzards in France. In fact I just watched and heard one this afternoon here in the Correze, and until I got a look at it I couldn't be sure on call alone it wasn't one of the local juv Commons.

So please don't take the huff, take a photo. :)

If you are right, it needs to be recorded.

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Absolutely no huff taken. Just trying to be helpful, and informative.
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Sorry! Was busy elsewhere! I live at the foot of the crags and see them frequently from my back garden, usually accompanied by two exuberant chihuahuas!
I didn't know that small dogs were prey items for HB, all very exciting
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Couldn't they be recently fledged CBs of the year? Its the right time, they have a different more provocative call at this stage and stubbier wings - due to still growing primaries. This last feature can make them look broader winged and even "larger". Also, the young from a same brood will often sail up and down on an updraught, like at a crag, to practice their flying skills....
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Following this discussion with interest. Still awaiting photos.
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Old Monday 31st July 2017, 12:19   #22
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I don't think that still photos will solve the issue! So I have a 40x optical zoom camcorder at the ready for when they next appear and weather permits.
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Still photos will definitely solve the issue if they show the overall shape and the underwing and (especially) under tail detail.

If all you have is the camcorder take a couple of screenshots of the best views of the underside and post them.

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Please consider that if (and I say if) these birds are Honey Buzzards then you will be exposing an almost certain breeding site based on what you have said above. Rather than post these images on a public forum (if you manage to obtain any) I would urge you to send them to your local county recorder (you can find the contact details on the SOC website). If they are HB's, great, and it goes no further. If they are Common Buzzards, it makes no difference. I wouldn't be posting any results on here if it turns out they are HB's.
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Please consider that if (and I say if) these birds are Honey Buzzards then you will be exposing an almost certain breeding site based on what you have said above. Rather than post these images on a public forum (if you manage to obtain any) I would urge you to send them to your local county recorder (you can find the contact details on the SOC website). If they are HB's, great, and it goes no further. If they are Common Buzzards, it makes no difference. I wouldn't be posting any results on here if it turns out they are HB's.
This is good point, and I for one would be very happy to subordinate my curiosity in the interest of the birds. Please do as PAAB suggests.
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