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Cisticola from South Africa (Isimangaliso)

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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 20:47   #1
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Cisticola from South Africa (Isimangaliso)

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I need some help to identify this cisticola. Pictures were taken last august at the Isimangaliso Wetland Park, near the village of St. Lucia. The habitat was a dry pond with savanna around.

My first idea was a croaking cisticola, as I saw a big bill. However, now I am not so sure.

Thank you very much in advance,

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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 20:54   #2
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What was the habitat?

Croaking is restricted to moist grassland.
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Old Friday 25th October 2019, 21:11   #3
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Rattling Cisticola for me.
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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 00:00   #4
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It was in a pond that was almost dry, but with abundant reeds and grasses on it. It was surrounded by some savannah.

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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 10:09   #5
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It's not Croaking.
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It's not Croaking.
And habitat would seem wrong.
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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 16:24   #7
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Seems to fit for Pale-crowned Cisticola for me ...
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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 17:29   #8
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Seems to fit for Pale-crowned Cisticola for me ...
It's obviously a big Cisticola, so not a Pale-crowned.
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It's obviously a big Cisticola, so not a Pale-crowned.
I recall that I made a proposal.
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These are always tough to distinguish so I am by no means sure that what I proposed was in anyway correct, but for the sake of all of us learning ... can you tell me why ...
(a) it is obviously a big Cisticola?
(b) you say Rattling over any of the others?
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Old Saturday 26th October 2019, 18:39   #10
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It's not Croaking.
Why not Larry ? It looks like a Croaking to me, and with such a thick bill, black gape and rufous, weakly striated crown I don't see what else it could be.
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Why not Larry ? It looks like a Croaking to me, and with such a thick bill, black gape and rufous, weakly striated crown I don't see what else it could be.
Habitat is wrong surely?

Pale-crowned is a pretty uncommon bird with a much weaker bill and again, it's a grassland species.

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Why not Larry ? It looks like a Croaking to me, and with such a thick bill, black gape and rufous, weakly striated crown I don't see what else it could be.
Lol. I was just about to post that I think it might be Croaking after all Valery. I've been looking at some images of Croaking, and they certainly match the OP bird better than my memory! I'm not 100% sure, but could easily be persuaded it's a croaker
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Habitat is wrong surely?

Pale-crowned is a pretty uncommon bird with a much weaker bill and again, it's a grassland species.

Attached is my shot from near Wakkestroom.
Andy, Croaking is probably the most common species at that place, and the habitat is perfect. The thick bill excludes Pale-crowned and all little cisticolas.
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Thank you all for you comments.

As I said, my first idea was a croaking, and still I think it can be (thick bill, head seems streaked). However, I have to recognize that cisticolas in south africa are very difficult to differentiate (at least for me: too many species and all of them very similar).

Picture was taken at iZindondwe Pan, at the Eastern shores of Isimangaliso. May it is helpful to identify the bird.

Thanks again

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Thank you all for you comments.

As I said, my first idea was a croaking, and still I think it can be (thick bill, head seems streaked). However, I have to recognize that cisticolas in south africa are very difficult to differentiate (at least for me: too many species and all of them very similar).

Picture was taken at iZindondwe Pan, at the Eastern shores of Isimangaliso. May it is helpful to identify the bird.

Thanks again

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I've no doubt that it is a Croaking.
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Just for the record, I never said it didn't look like Croaking.
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