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Athlon Optics Argos 8x34 (1 Viewer)

FrankD

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I haven’t had much time lately to sit down and share my thoughts on a few of the more recent binoculars that have graced my home. Besides all of the usual holiday hustle and bustle I have been intently birding my local patch(es) in search of any new and interesting birds. With the holidays over and a great start to my year list I thought it was time to finally sit down and put something together for the handful of models worthy of review. First on the list is the Athlon Argos.

I am sure your first thought after reading that statement is “who is Athlon” and what is the Argos model. Athlon is relatively new company staffed by a variety of gifted individuals that had worked for Bushnell in recent years. These gentlemen had the idea that they could offer high quality optics directly to consumers at a very reasonable price. It seems they succeeded from what I have seen with the Argos model.

Athlon Optics has 6 binocular lines and 2 spotting scope lines. Each line is geared for a specific level of performance for that particular price point. Their most expensive binocular model, the Cronus, has an MSRP just under $600 but sports an impressive list of features not the least of which being a field flattener element.

So where does the Argos fit into their lineup?

Its price point, around $200 MSRP, puts in the lower middle of their various binocular lines. The inevitable question is why I would request to have one of the lower price models for review instead of one of their higher price and higher performing models. Well, there are a few answers to that question. For one, I look for the best “value” in terms of optics. I would much rather spend $200 on a binocular that performs like the average $400 model rather than spend $400 on an average $400 model.

Second, some of the specs and features of the Argos jumped out at me. For one it is lightweight. Two it is an open bridge design. Three it has an advertised 34 mm objective diameter and, four, it had a listed field of view of over 400 feet. The last point, as it turns out, was a typo on the website. The actual field of view is 7.1 degrees (371 feet)…..a bit of a letdown but not a deal breaker when you handle and look through this model.
Lastly, I did also request their high end Cronus model but it was not available prior to the holidays (hopefully more on that in the near future).

So let us start with the basic advertised specifications and features:

POWER 8X
OBJECTIVE LENS DIAMETER 34 mm
EYE RELIEF 17.4 mm
FIELD OF VIEW ANGULAR 7.1°
FIELD OF VIEW FEET @1000 Yards 407 ft
FIELD OF VIEW METERS @1000 METERS 137 m
CLOSE FOCUS 4 m /13 ft
INTERPUPILLARY DISTANCE 56 mm-76 mm
WEIGHT 16.3 oz

ESP Dielectric Coating- Enhanced Spectral Prism Dielectric Coating ESP Dielectric Coating is a multi layer prism coating that reflects over 99% of the light to your eyes bringing you a clear, bright image that displays accurate color reproduction.

XPL Coating- Xtra Protective Layer coating XPL Coating gives you an extra protection on the exterior lenses from dirt, oil and scratches

Phase Corrected prisms Phase corrected prisms produce images that have better contrast, a higher resolution and better color reproduction

BaK4 prisms Bak-4 glass prisms reflect more light to your eyes which will give you brighter and sharper image.

Advanced FMC Advanced Fully Multi-Coated lenses gives you better light transmission to bring optimum brightness and true color across the entire light spectrum.

Long Eye Relief Long eye relief can be particularly important for eyeglass wearers because longer eye relief allows them to still see the entire field of view.

Close Focus Close focus is important for those who are nature observers and especially important if you are going to watch butterflies or insects

Twist Up Eyecups Twist up eyecups with intermediate stops allow you to set the eyecups to the ideal eye relief for you eyes

Waterproof Waterproof to protect the binocular in the harshest weather conditions or if accidentally submerged underwater

That information is a direct copy/paste from the Athlon website. So, as you can see, the only two features that it does not offer are ED glass and a field flattening element in the eyepiece design. Keep in mind this model does have a regular “street price” of around $170.

Optical Performance:

Optical performance is always my first place to start. Don’t get me wrong. I think ergonomics and mechanics can play an equally important role but optical performance is the foundation to which the other two build upon (in my opinion).

As mentioned above the field of view should be considered average for a 30-something class binocular. Typically as you move up in objective size with a particular binocular line you lose field of view (assuming all else is equal). Your normal 8x30 or 8x32 model has an average field of view around 393 feet (7.5 degrees) with some of the more impressive models approaching and exceeding 420 feet. The 34 mm objective brings that field of view down a bit but not objectionably so.

So what strikes me about the optical performance of this model?

Good question. I think, optically, the size of the sweet spot and the overall transition from the sweet spot out to the field stop is what I like most. The apparent sweet spot size is approximately 80% of the field with a very gradual transition to the out of focus edge of the field of view. Image deterioration at the edge seems to be entirely field curvature. The out of focus area is only just out of focus as a slight bump of the focusing knob brings it into focus.

How about the other optical performance areas such as apparent brightness, sharpness, contrast, etc…?

My experience with this and other models at this price point leads me to believe that it is slightly above average in most areas. Apparent sharpness within the sweet spot is more than acceptable. The contrast level is good but not very good or excellent. CA control is surprisingly better than expected within the sweet spot. Apparent brightness is above average. The image also has a neutral to ever so slightly warm color representation.

So what do I think about the overall image representation?

I like it. The combination of sweet spot size, color representation and apparent sharpness all make the image seem very natural to my eyes. There isn’t any eyestrain either because of alignment issues or excessive distortions or aberrations. So, in other words, the binocular is a solid little performer at the $200 price point. I definitely prefer its optical performance over some other recently introduced models reviewed previously at this price point.

The minimum close focusing distance for my eyes is approximately 7 feet.

Ergonomics:

No optical performance pun intended but I think this is where this model really shines. I genuinely love the ergonomics of this model. The barrels are long and without bumps or extrusions. As a result there is plenty of room for your fingers to fit in between the barrels. In addition the eyecups are nicely contoured along the rim so the eyecups fit comfortably in/around my eye sockets.

The binoculars feel even more lightweight than their listed 16.3 ounce weight which is most likely the result of open bridge design coupled with the fairly long , for a 30 mm class, barrels (5.25 inches). The focusing knob is large and the positioning of the open bridge design easily allows my index finger to rest comfortably across it during regular use.

The ocular diameter appears fairly large in relation to the diameter of the eyecups. In my experience this makes for easy eye placement especially when coupled with the 4.25 mm exit pupil (and as opposed to the 3.75 mm exit pupil of an 8x30 model).


Mechanics:

In regular use I have no major objections to the mechanical performance of this model. I do have some nitpicks though that I will get into shortly. Central hinge tension is good with the IPD setting not moving during regular use. Focusing direction is counterclockwise from close focus to infinity. It takes approximately 1.5 turns of the focusing knob to cover that distance with a little (1/4 of a turn) remaining beyond infinity for my eyes. Focusing tension is smooth with slightly less than average tension. I do not find this objectionable since the focusing speed is average to slightly slow.

There is a small amount of play in the focusing knob at one point in the focusing range. It is not large, maybe 1/8th of an inch but I do notice it on occasion during regular use.

The eyecups rotate out for non-eyeglass wearing individuals. I don’t wear glasses but typically have to use a binocular with the eyecups fully collapsed to see the full field of view. Blame my big nose and close-set eyes for that situation. The eyecups work very well either fully collapsed or fully extended. There feels like there should be an intermediate setting but the eyecups do not stay set in any position other than the two mentioned.

Summary:

So what are my final thoughts on this model?

In general I like it. It fits a useful niche. The binocular is smaller than a full-sized 40 mm model and light enough for you to wear around your neck all day and not even notice that it is there. The ergonomics are excellent in my opinion. I love holding and using this model. Optically it punches slightly above its price point. If only the field of view was closer to its advertised 407 feet I think I might be more enthusiastic about its overall optical performance. Still, even with that small nitpick I could easily see myself using this little model as a regular day to day binocular….and let us not forget one of its more appealing overall characteristics….its price. 
 

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Nice write up Frank...Thanks. :t:

Guess I'll be the first to ask...any comparison comments to the BSII?

Ted
 
Ha! That question didn't take long.

;)

I did compare the two repeatedly. I will post further comments on the comparison when time allows either later today or tomorrow. To save some of the waiting...same league optically with certain points going either way depending on what your preferences are.
 
Frank, thanks for the review .... well done. It gives me a good idea what this binocular is about.

Sightron BS II Comparison: I noticed the Athlon Argos has di-electric coated prisms whereas I believe the Sightron has silver coated prisms. I would expect the Athlon to be slightly brighter, somewhat more neutral in color balance and maybe a touch more contrast. In other words, for me, a slightly better view. I am curious to read your follow-up comments to see if my assumptions have any validity.

Sightron FOV numbers have been all over the map. I have ultimately concluded the 8X32 number for the Sightron is 394 ft at 1K yards. This gives it an edge over the Argos at the 371 ft (shown on the focus knob cap). It will be interesting to read if you noticed the difference.

One comment that I liked was that the Argos has about a quarter of a turn of over travel past infinity. That is an issue with the Sightron. The Sightron I had was right at the end of travel at infinity, so I returned it for a refund. Am I correct in assuming the Argos have more over travel than the Sightron?

Distribution: You made the comment that Athlon directly markets to the consumer. One of the listed sellers is a website called SportsGearOptics.Com. Do you know if that is a separate web site owned by Athlon to be used as their sales venue? SportsGearOptics also has an Amazon store. That will be a good place to see reviews over time.

Specifications: I am just amazed at how often optic vendors screw up simple specs in the marketing numbers. It is not just the small players such Athlon and Sightron, Swaro, Leica and Zeiss are also guilty. What is disappointing about Athlon is as of now, their web site is still showing the 407 ft FOV spec for the 8X34 Argos (vs the focus cap with what appears to be the correct 371 ft FOV). Considering Athlon is a small organization with just a few principles, this could be corrected immediately. To leave it as is, reflects a lack of attention to detail, questions about credibility and the setting up of unrealistic expectations. Hopefully if any of the folks from Athlon are following this thread (and I suspect they are), they will update the web site immediately with the correct specs. I think the tone of your review conclusion would have been more positive if expectations had been exceeded.

Cost: The Athlon web site lists a MSRP of $205 but the real price appears to be $170. Shipping is free from the Sports Gear Optics website and the Amazon store. The delivered price is right in there with the Sightron. Also the Athlon web site shows a lifetime warranty but no comment if it applies only to the original purchaser or if it can be transferred. It does not have a no fault feature. Sports Gear Optics has a 90 satisfaction policy.

Sounds like it could be a nice option to the Sightron. I am of the thought right now that it may have a slightly better view but a smaller FOV, a little better feel, and more over travel at about the same good value as the Sightron. Lets see how many posts this thread gets over time!
 
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Thanks Frank! I've been monitoring this every day since I resurected the Sightron BD II topic!

I will be buying two of these or two of the Sightrons for my upcoming cruise in June.

I will be watching this discussion very carefully!

If I'm not mistaken isnt one of the specs of the Sightron inaccurate too. Maybe the close focus spec? It seams like inaccurate specs are epidemic!

I am probably more interested in overall optics performance than Regis and mechanics but if there is a trade off between weaknesses and strengths than the mechanical and ergos may sway.

I appreciate that you targeted this price class performance category. I have way too many hobbies to spend large dollars on any one given interest. I always hunt out the products that perform 85% of the top tier name brands that cost 30% less! Very appreciated!
 
Alright, this is driving me nuts. I am agreeing with Bruce on the web site description on the specifications.

I read the review again and now, from what the copy-and-pasted specs show as compared to FrankD's experience shows, I see three discrepancies.

Field of view - Specification on their site is 407 ft, yet their very product show the real view at 1000 ft as 371. (already addressed in the review)

Close Focus - Specification on their site is 13 feet, yet Frank states (for his eyes) it is 7 feet

Intermediate Stops - Web site states this is a feature of this model, yet Frank states it is missing.

I am not very technically knowledgable about binoculars. Does close-focus vary from one person to the next depending on their eyesight?

It almost appears that the guys who designed and manufactured these products hired another firm to present the specifications and those who did so had imperfect incomplete knowledge of the actual product specs! Fix the site please.

Now having said that, I may buy these because the specs are very good. I am looking forward to further discussion and comparisons to the Sightron model! :smoke:
 
Ok gentlemen, I have a couple of minutes and both the Sightron and the Athlon in my possession. I will post my thoughts on the comparison further down in this post. Before I do, I wanted to address Walter's comments.

My pair of the Argos close focus to 7.5 feet (measured today). Typically I find that bins do focus a bit closer than the listed close focus specifications and, yes, close focus can vary a bit depending on the individual's eyesight.

Second, the eyecups do have two intermediate "stops" though I wouldn't call them stops as the rotation is so fast that the eyecups don't stay stopped at the "indents" whenever I put pressure on them. So, for all intents and purposes the eyecups are usable at either fully collapsed or fully extended...unless you want to get some rubber o-rings.

As for the Sightron comparison.....

In the grand scheme of things the two models are surprisingly close both in terms of design and optical performance. Before going into all of the specifics it seems as if they are practically the same binocular except for the eyepieces...hence the difference in ocular diameter and also the difference in field of view. That is somewhat of what I was referring to when it comes to them being in the same optical class but with slightly different characteristics.

The field of view in the Sightron is listed as being .4 degrees wider and you can see it in the apparent field of view. Is it staggeringly larger? No, but you can see the difference.

The size of the sweet spot as a percentage of the field of view seems very similar. The Sightron's may be a hair larger but it is almost too close to call. Since the Sightron does have a larger field of view and the percentages are the possibly the same then the Sightron actually allows you to see slighly more in focus.

Apparent sharpness is, again, almost too close to call. If pressed I would probably still go with the Sightron but I think that is a difficult call as apparent sharpness often relies on issues such as contrast, CA control etc.... which leads me to the one area that I think the Sightron is notably better in.

Contrast. Maybe it is just me and my preferences but I have always found the Sightron to display exceptional contrast. This makes the image look extremely realistic, seem sharper and, in some lighting conditions, seem brighter. I think this is also related to the warm color bias (reddish to my eyes) that the Sightron displays.

The Argos has good contrast for this price point but the color representation is more neutral than the Sightron. As a result, and at times, the Argos can seem brighter but with not as much contrast as the Sightron.

Ergonomically I must say that I think the Argos is slightly better. The barrels don't have the bump-outs and/or extrusions that the Sightron does. The Argos' eyecups are more rounded and the oculars are larger (something I prefer if given the choice). The focusing knob is also larger and shifted closer to the eyepieces on the Argos.

All for now but if you have specific questions then I would be happy to answer them.
 

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Frank, thanks for the follow-up. I thought there would be more of a difference in the views considering the dielectric prism coatings of the Argos. I gather from your comments that views are fairly equivalent.

I do have a few questions:

1) Does the Argos have more over travel past infinity than the Sightron and if so about how much more rotation is there past infinity?

2) Where is the Argos made? Any chance they are made by the same company that makes the Sightron (Keno I think)?

3) If something were to happen to your world famous Sightron and you decided to replace it, would you buy another Sightron 8X32 BSII or the Athlon 8X34 Argos? How is that for putting you on the spot!

Thanks.
 
Thanks Frank, I now understand why those specifications appear to be inaccurate. They are not really wrong except the field of view which is actually correctly printed in the focus wheel itself!

So the Argos is more neutral and brighter but the Sightron has better contrast and therefore in some circumstances, seem brighter.

The field of view in the Athlon Argos is less than the Sightron but the eye placement is easier on the Argos than on the Sightron.

I can see what you meant when you said they are pretty much equal. One binocular may appeal to people with certain preferences depending on what they are looking for in a binocular.

However, I am a novice so I do not really know what value to place on their respective attributes; neutral color, field of view, contrast, brightness, sharpness. I think contrast gives you the ability to pick out different objects, such as birds, at low light conditions.

But without knowing what I prefer due to lack of technical knowledge it looks like I cannot really go wrong at this price point for these two options.

I may be forced to buy one of each!

OK, Frank, if you were climbing a mountain with both of these binoculars and you discovered you were lugging 16 oz too much, which one would you chuck off the mountain?3:)
 
Specifications: I am just amazed at how often optic vendors screw up simple specs in the marketing numbers. It is not just the small players such Athlon and Sightron, Swaro, Leica and Zeiss are also guilty.

Yes, that really gets me too. At least in this case, you could tell the numbers for the fov were fishy, because no two of the three agreed with each other. 137m/1000m is not 407 ft/1000 yd, and obviously neither yields 7.1 degrees.
 
Ok gentlemen, I have a couple of minutes and both the Sightron and the Athlon in my possession..............

All for now but if you have specific questions then I would be happy to answer them.

Frank .... If you are still monitoring this thread and have some time, it would be great if you could comment on my questions in the above post #8. I am especially interested in knowing how much over travel there is past infinity.

Thanks.
 
Bruce,

No worries. I actually look at every post on here. ;) Brock knows that so he always leaves little comments for me here and there. :)

1. There is slightly more travel past infinity on the Argos. I can't say exactly how much....maybe a quarter turn. I shipped it back yesterday so I can't verify it now.

2. I forgot to look but will email Athlon and ask them. I assumed China.

3. I don't know. I have a bit of a soft spot for the Sightron for a variety of reasons. I don't think any performance difference would be a determining factor in what I chose.
 
I sent an email inquiry to Sightron asking them if perhaps their 8x32 received new coatings at all. Just interested if there are any changes that maybe improved (or not improved) what you have in your possession Frank. Sometimes manufacturers fix what is not broken.

I sent them the question on Sunday and have not heard back.

I tend to go with the optics than with ergos but some of the egos you described are very tempting especially the larger lenses that help with eye placement.

I'll be getting these at end of Feb. Always love looking for great buys so this choices are much appreciated!
 
Hi Frank, This is kevin from Athlon Optics. Again thank you for taking your time and giving a such comprehensive review on the product. Hope in the future we can have this model with FOV @407 ft or beyond. Our site has been updated with correct information.

To all the folks here who are interested in our product, we fully understand your concerns about us being a new company, we would like to hear from you that what we can do to make you comfortable buying a new brand besides offering our life time unlimited warranty. If anyone is referred by Frank, we would like to offer you some discount so we hope we can get our products into the people's hand in this community. send you questions to [email protected]. We love to see and hear your voices.

Our binoculars are made in China by the No.1 supplier that has been supplying products to top brand in the US, Europe for many years. We have very high confidence level at our product so we are offering the life time warranty for all our binoculars.
Best regards,
 
I haven’t had much time lately to sit down and share my thoughts on a few of the more recent binoculars that have graced my home. Besides all of the usual holiday hustle and bustle I have been intently birding my local patch(es) in search of any new and interesting birds. With the holidays over and a great start to my year list I thought it was time to finally sit down and put something together for the handful of models worthy of review. First on the list is the Athlon Argos.

I am sure your first thought after reading that statement is “who is Athlon” and what is the Argos model. Athlon is relatively new company staffed by a variety of gifted individuals that had worked for Bushnell in recent years. These gentlemen had the idea that they could offer high quality optics directly to consumers at a very reasonable price. It seems they succeeded from what I have seen with the Argos model.

Athlon Optics has 6 binocular lines and 2 spotting scope lines. Each line is geared for a specific level of performance for that particular price point. Their most expensive binocular model, the Cronus, has an MSRP just under $600 but sports an impressive list of features not the least of which being a field flattener element.

So where does the Argos fit into their lineup?

Its price point, around $200 MSRP, puts in the lower middle of their various binocular lines. The inevitable question is why I would request to have one of the lower price models for review instead of one of their higher price and higher performing models. Well, there are a few answers to that question. For one, I look for the best “value” in terms of optics. I would much rather spend $200 on a binocular that performs like the average $400 model rather than spend $400 on an average $400 model.

Second, some of the specs and features of the Argos jumped out at me. For one it is lightweight. Two it is an open bridge design. Three it has an advertised 34 mm objective diameter and, four, it had a listed field of view of over 400 feet. The last point, as it turns out, was a typo on the website. The actual field of view is 7.1 degrees (371 feet)…..a bit of a letdown but not a deal breaker when you handle and look through this model.
Lastly, I did also request their high end Cronus model but it was not available prior to the holidays (hopefully more on that in the near future).

So let us start with the basic advertised specifications and features:

POWER 8X
OBJECTIVE LENS DIAMETER 34 mm
EYE RELIEF 17.4 mm
FIELD OF VIEW ANGULAR 7.1°
FIELD OF VIEW FEET @1000 Yards 407 ft
FIELD OF VIEW METERS @1000 METERS 137 m
CLOSE FOCUS 4 m /13 ft
INTERPUPILLARY DISTANCE 56 mm-76 mm
WEIGHT 16.3 oz

ESP Dielectric Coating- Enhanced Spectral Prism Dielectric Coating ESP Dielectric Coating is a multi layer prism coating that reflects over 99% of the light to your eyes bringing you a clear, bright image that displays accurate color reproduction.

XPL Coating- Xtra Protective Layer coating XPL Coating gives you an extra protection on the exterior lenses from dirt, oil and scratches

Phase Corrected prisms Phase corrected prisms produce images that have better contrast, a higher resolution and better color reproduction

BaK4 prisms Bak-4 glass prisms reflect more light to your eyes which will give you brighter and sharper image.

Advanced FMC Advanced Fully Multi-Coated lenses gives you better light transmission to bring optimum brightness and true color across the entire light spectrum.

Long Eye Relief Long eye relief can be particularly important for eyeglass wearers because longer eye relief allows them to still see the entire field of view.

Close Focus Close focus is important for those who are nature observers and especially important if you are going to watch butterflies or insects

Twist Up Eyecups Twist up eyecups with intermediate stops allow you to set the eyecups to the ideal eye relief for you eyes

Waterproof Waterproof to protect the binocular in the harshest weather conditions or if accidentally submerged underwater

That information is a direct copy/paste from the Athlon website. So, as you can see, the only two features that it does not offer are ED glass and a field flattening element in the eyepiece design. Keep in mind this model does have a regular “street price” of around $170.

Optical Performance:

Optical performance is always my first place to start. Don’t get me wrong. I think ergonomics and mechanics can play an equally important role but optical performance is the foundation to which the other two build upon (in my opinion).

As mentioned above the field of view should be considered average for a 30-something class binocular. Typically as you move up in objective size with a particular binocular line you lose field of view (assuming all else is equal). Your normal 8x30 or 8x32 model has an average field of view around 393 feet (7.5 degrees) with some of the more impressive models approaching and exceeding 420 feet. The 34 mm objective brings that field of view down a bit but not objectionably so.

So what strikes me about the optical performance of this model?

Good question. I think, optically, the size of the sweet spot and the overall transition from the sweet spot out to the field stop is what I like most. The apparent sweet spot size is approximately 80% of the field with a very gradual transition to the out of focus edge of the field of view. Image deterioration at the edge seems to be entirely field curvature. The out of focus area is only just out of focus as a slight bump of the focusing knob brings it into focus.

How about the other optical performance areas such as apparent brightness, sharpness, contrast, etc…?

My experience with this and other models at this price point leads me to believe that it is slightly above average in most areas. Apparent sharpness within the sweet spot is more than acceptable. The contrast level is good but not very good or excellent. CA control is surprisingly better than expected within the sweet spot. Apparent brightness is above average. The image also has a neutral to ever so slightly warm color representation.

So what do I think about the overall image representation?

I like it. The combination of sweet spot size, color representation and apparent sharpness all make the image seem very natural to my eyes. There isn’t any eyestrain either because of alignment issues or excessive distortions or aberrations. So, in other words, the binocular is a solid little performer at the $200 price point. I definitely prefer its optical performance over some other recently introduced models reviewed previously at this price point.

The minimum close focusing distance for my eyes is approximately 7 feet.

Ergonomics:

No optical performance pun intended but I think this is where this model really shines. I genuinely love the ergonomics of this model. The barrels are long and without bumps or extrusions. As a result there is plenty of room for your fingers to fit in between the barrels. In addition the eyecups are nicely contoured along the rim so the eyecups fit comfortably in/around my eye sockets.

The binoculars feel even more lightweight than their listed 16.3 ounce weight which is most likely the result of open bridge design coupled with the fairly long , for a 30 mm class, barrels (5.25 inches). The focusing knob is large and the positioning of the open bridge design easily allows my index finger to rest comfortably across it during regular use.

The ocular diameter appears fairly large in relation to the diameter of the eyecups. In my experience this makes for easy eye placement especially when coupled with the 4.25 mm exit pupil (and as opposed to the 3.75 mm exit pupil of an 8x30 model).


Mechanics:

In regular use I have no major objections to the mechanical performance of this model. I do have some nitpicks though that I will get into shortly. Central hinge tension is good with the IPD setting not moving during regular use. Focusing direction is counterclockwise from close focus to infinity. It takes approximately 1.5 turns of the focusing knob to cover that distance with a little (1/4 of a turn) remaining beyond infinity for my eyes. Focusing tension is smooth with slightly less than average tension. I do not find this objectionable since the focusing speed is average to slightly slow.

There is a small amount of play in the focusing knob at one point in the focusing range. It is not large, maybe 1/8th of an inch but I do notice it on occasion during regular use.

The eyecups rotate out for non-eyeglass wearing individuals. I don’t wear glasses but typically have to use a binocular with the eyecups fully collapsed to see the full field of view. Blame my big nose and close-set eyes for that situation. The eyecups work very well either fully collapsed or fully extended. There feels like there should be an intermediate setting but the eyecups do not stay set in any position other than the two mentioned.

Summary:

So what are my final thoughts on this model?

In general I like it. It fits a useful niche. The binocular is smaller than a full-sized 40 mm model and light enough for you to wear around your neck all day and not even notice that it is there. The ergonomics are excellent in my opinion. I love holding and using this model. Optically it punches slightly above its price point. If only the field of view was closer to its advertised 407 feet I think I might be more enthusiastic about its overall optical performance. Still, even with that small nitpick I could easily see myself using this little model as a regular day to day binocular….and let us not forget one of its more appealing overall characteristics….its price. 

The question is how much does the photo you posted look like the view you see through the binoculars? The view looks okay, but nothing to get hung about.... Strawberry Fields Forever.

While I am impressed with the views from some of the mid-priced roofs I've been trying, none deliver that extra SNAP! of the Nikon SE and EII. If I had never been exposed to those two binoculars, I would imagine I wouldn't know what I was missing unless I looked through the latest alphas (or one would at least think).

I read similar comments like this from alpha owners, even though sometimes they sounded snobby, given the great cost of alphas, but I get their point. Reminds me of Dennis's old thread: "Once Alpha, You Can't Chewbacka" (or something like that ;)).

Unless you are forced by downsizing or economic doldrums to scale back your optics taste from champagne to sparkling grape juice, it seems the non-stop parade of mid-priced ED bins come out of the same two factories in China, and aside from some differences in armoring or eyecups, they all share the same DNA.

I know I seem to be changing my tune (or at least transposing keys) since I have been a supporter of this segment, but more so the second tier where you can find near alpha quality optics and even some near alpha quality mechanical robustness (think Conquest HD), but as soon as my pig feet jars are filled again, I'm going Chewbacka to my good old EIIs and SEs. I just haven't seen anything in roofs that either matches them or beats them for three to four times the cost.

"Hands" Solo
 
I get what you're saying. But for many, me included, due to having so many hobbies and interests that cost money, I really appreciate options such as the Sightron, Athlon and Carson. Second-tier-to-Alphas still cost a good deal ($800.00 to $1000.00).

While I like the idea of the Nikon EII which appears to be an awesome buy at the mid $300.00 on the used market, for my immediate needs, a non water-proof is not a good idea.

So for a person like me, these $200.00 to $300.00 options are a welcome option. It looks like this amount gets you a lot more than it did 10 years ago.
 
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