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skipper ID and possible Oriental meadow brown

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Old Saturday 6th July 2019, 17:11   #1
marky boy
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skipper ID and possible Oriental meadow brown


I would like some opinions on these two skipper species, which i think could be Oberthur's grizzled skipper, they were taken at La Garganta in the Gredos at in the north of Extremadura, Spain (unfortunately couldn't get underwing shots). And the possible Oriental meadow brown at the base of the Villuercas Mountains.
any help would be appreciated.

kind regards
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