Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
Discover the ZEISS Digital Nature Hub

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Eyecups - in or out (or in between)?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 7 votes, 5.00 average.
Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 08:47   #1
Bruce Webb
Bruce
 
Bruce Webb's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: California
Posts: 9
Eyecups - in or out (or in between)?

More and more, binoculars are coming on the market with eyecups that twist-up with detents. Some have 4 settings - from all the way in to all the way out, plus two in between. Eyeglass users, should, of course, use the fully in position.

I am curious how many non-eyeglass wearers use an intermediate setting? My old Leicas 10x42s have a pull-out 2 setting positions and I see perfectly in either position. The Swarovski ELs have 2 setting twist-up eyecups. Others brands have twist ups with multiple detents. I have seen some binoculars where one eyecup collapses too easily in and things seem amiss until discovered.

So here are my questions (and maybe it should be done as a poll):

1. Do you think more than 2 eyecup positions really add true function?
2. What eyecup position do you use on your binoculars and why?
_______________________

Bruce
Bruce Webb is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 09:03   #2
Andy Bright
Administrator
BF Supporter 2020
 
Andy Bright's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: S.E. England
Posts: 5,386
Hi Bruce, as it's your first post here, a belated welcome to birdfroum from all the staff here.
Personally, I think binoculars offering multiple eye-cup positions can only be beneficial for the birders. We all have different facial build, our eyes are not all positioned the same... some have deep-set eyes. A binocular that fits the individual is paramount imho, especially when the differences in optical quality of the top binos is so marginal these days. Comfort and 'feel right' is very very important.

As for myself, I use the Zeiss 10x42 FL (with multi position eye-cups) and have the eye-cup one step in from the maximum.

regards,
Andy
Andy Bright is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 09:14   #3
Atomic Chicken
Registered with the D.O.E.
 
Atomic Chicken's Avatar

 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 390
Bruce,

An interesting question. When I initially evaluated the new HGL binoculars from Nikon, one of the first things I noticed that was different from the HG version was the multiple stop eyecups. I immediately questioned the utility of having more than 2 positions - it just didn't seem to make much sense to me. I later brought my 8x32 HG binoculars to the dealer selling the new 8x32 HGL model, and compared the 2 side by side just to make certain that my first impression of the optics being identical was correct.

My conclusion was that there was no difference at all between the HG and HGL optically, but I did find (interestingly enough) that I preferred the HGL eyecups because it just felt more comfortable and less "strainfull" with the eyecup set one click in from the fully extended position. This is probably an artifact of my own facial structure, and will probably not be shared by everyone who tries those binoculars. However, it dispelled once and for all my previous opinion that there was no need for multiple-stop eyepieces... at this point I think it is a great idea and that more future binocular models should incorporate that feature.

Best wishes,
Bawko
__________________
Support your local chicken!

"I hope you love birds too. It is economical, it saves going to heaven." - Emily Dickinson

Last edited by Atomic Chicken : Thursday 24th March 2005 at 09:16.
Atomic Chicken is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 09:22   #4
Corax67
Registered User
 
Corax67's Avatar

 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Medway, Kent
Posts: 642
Hi Bruce,

Good Question - I use the full out position on my Leica 10x42 BN's as i find it the most comfortable, but am fortunate to have perfect eyesight (thankfully)

However I do beleive that multi position eyecups are beneficial as 2 friends both use a series of rubber 'o' rings to hold their eyecups in the optimal postion on their bins - one is a Swarovski user & the other a Nikon user.

I do find that on the Leica 20-60 zoom eyepiece I need to adjust the eyecup as I go through the zoom range to maintain correct eye relief & full field of vision.
Corax67 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 10:10   #5
Andrew Whitehouse
Professor of Listening
BF Supporter 2020
 
Andrew Whitehouse's Avatar

 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Aberdeen
Posts: 20,869
I wear glasses but usually prefer the eyecups not quite pushed in as far as they can go. I find that the image blacks out a little bit when I do that so I like to have them pushed out by about a millimetre. It just feels more comfortable on my eyes this way.
__________________
Andrew

Listening to Birds
Andrew Whitehouse is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 10:29   #6
gw4aurora
In eclipse

 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Flintshire
Posts: 291
I am a spec wearer and have the cups on my 10x42 EL's fully out. In fact I have tried these bins without my specs with the cups in various positions and they never seem right.
Now on my 8x42BN's with the specs I have the cups half way out.

Chris.
gw4aurora is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Thursday 24th March 2005, 11:51   #7
RAH
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: New Hampshire, USA
Posts: 1,072
I am also an eyeglass wearer who uses the eyecups pulled out to the first position on my Pentax 8x28s. I get "blackout" problems with them pushed all the way in. I think this is because of an eye relief that is actually too long for my particular face and glasses.

So, I think it is definitely beneficial to have multiple pull-out points. If all I had was full-in and full-out, it would be pretty poor.
RAH is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 25th March 2005, 01:38   #8
marcus
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 949
Just like RAH I get "blackout" problems when the eyecups of most binoculars I have tried are pushed all the way in, so their being able to be pushed 'half-way' would be better.
So, having multiple points is a lot better. I really wish the binocular companys would have come out with that a long time ago.
__________________
Marcus
marcus is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Friday 25th March 2005, 01:51   #9
Tero
Retired
 
Tero's Avatar

 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 8,625
I use a pair of Minolta 10x compacts with the eye cups half way in, fixed with rubber bands. This gives the biggest field of view. Otherwise I wouldn't care, but the field of view is a bit narrow.
__________________
humorblog
http://esabirdsne.blogspot.com/
Last in ABA list: 377 Least Bittern
Tero is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2006 2007 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Friday 25th March 2005, 06:48   #10
kabsetz
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,517
As can be gleaned from above comments, different people with different facial anatomies, different types of glasses etc. will find different eyecup extension optimal with one and the same binocular. This is enough of a reason to consider multiple click-stop eyecups a worthwhile development.

An additional benefit, for those of us who do not wear glasses, is the possibility to easily twist the cups in one or two clicks when birding in cold and damp weather, where fully extended eyecups which seal well around your eyes tend to fog up very quickly. So, even for a single viewer one single eyecup setting is not necessarily optimal under all circumstances.

With multiple click-stops becoming more common, it would be nice if they would also have a simple marking which would tell you at a glance which stop you are at. Of course, if there are only one or two intermediate setting, this makes no difference really, but if there were click-stops at every millimeter, it would facilitate adjustment once you have determined which settings work for you, your wife or husband, your child etc. and when.

Kimmo
kabsetz is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 26th March 2005, 14:30   #11
Jacamar
Senior Member
 
Jacamar's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,504
Well...I just learned something today. Most people use their eyecups.
Honestly; I didn't know that before. I have a pair of Bushnell H2O 10x42's and I can't use my eyecups at all. If I put them out, I start seeing a blurry ring around the image and the further out I go, the wider the ring gets.
__________________
Chris
Jacamar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 26th March 2005, 14:34   #12
Jacamar
Senior Member
 
Jacamar's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,504
Bruce(or anyone), what is a detent?
__________________
Chris
Jacamar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 26th March 2005, 17:15   #13
michaelboustead
Registered User
 
michaelboustead's Avatar

 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: York, PA USA
Posts: 363
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Whitehouse
I wear glasses but usually prefer the eyecups not quite pushed in as far as they can go. I find that the image blacks out a little bit when I do that so I like to have them pushed out by about a millimetre. It just feels more comfortable on my eyes this way.
Same here.

Mike
michaelboustead is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2005 2011 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Saturday 26th March 2005, 20:44   #14
Richard Scott
Registered User

 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacamar
Bruce(or anyone), what is a detent?
I thought it was a made-up word or a spelling mistake until I looked it up in a dictionary.

It means: A catch or lever that locks the movement of one part of a mechanism
Richard Scott is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Saturday 26th March 2005, 21:34   #15
Jacamar
Senior Member
 
Jacamar's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,504
Thanks Richard. I guess I could have looked it up myself, but I too thought it was some new binocular term.
__________________
Chris
Jacamar is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Thursday 31st March 2005, 20:41   #16
Bruce Webb
Bruce
 
Bruce Webb's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: California
Posts: 9
Eyecup settings, eye relief, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacamar
Bruce(or anyone), what is a detent?
As has been mentioned, detents refers to the "in between" settings on the eyecups. It is to make eyecups distance from the eyes adustable for comfortable viewing while wearing eyeglasses.
Bruce Webb
Optics4Birding
Bruce Webb is offline  
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Nikon 8x32 SE eyecups... Donzo98 Nikon 14 Monday 8th June 2020 01:07
Rainguard for SLC/SL Winged Eyecups elkcub Swarovski 4 Thursday 4th November 2004 16:30
Replacing SE eyecups? Rich N Nikon 12 Tuesday 5th October 2004 10:58
Focuser position and folding rubber eyecups Rich N Nikon 2 Tuesday 21st September 2004 03:05
Allergies to rubber eyecups Jonathan B. Binoculars 5 Friday 10th September 2004 09:37

{googleads}

Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.19965005 seconds with 28 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 02:21.