Originally Posted by tenex
I found the new Victory quite forgiving in this respect. Fairly pleasant to use except I had to find a way to hold it a bit in front of the eyes, as I imagine with the small eyecups of all compacts (and no eyeglasses).
That sounds like it could be a problem for me if the eye cups are so small I have to insert them into my eye sockets too far. I can really ram the new Swarovski CL 8x30's eye cups into my eye sockets without any blackouts. You are right though that can be a problem with compacts and their smaller diameter eye cups. I don't like holding a binocular in front of my eyes to avoid blackouts but you really can't have too big of eye cups on a compact or they look out of proportion to the binocular. I got the Zeiss Victory 8x25 and I was right about the eye relief. They didn't work for me. In fact I had to hold them about 2 inches from face with eye cups fully extended to avoid blackouts. I didn't find them any sharper or having any better CA control then the new Swarovski 8x30 CL. The CL works a LOT better for me.