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Philippine species limits (1 Viewer)
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from the ficedula thread again
From the Orthotomus thread again
Originally Posted by Richard Klim
Fuchs & Pons (in press). A new classification of the Pied Woodpeckers assemblage (Dendropicini, Picidae) based on a comprehensive multi-locus phylogeny. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]
'The DNA divergence between the two D. maculatus subspecies we sampled is very high (6.1%) and may suggest that this taxon is in fact composed of several biological species. Such a high level of genetic differences between avian populations from the Philippines has already been highlighted (Oliveros and Moyle, 2010; Hosner et al., 2014). Yet, a clear understanding of the num- ber of biological species in D. maculatus would first necessitate a comprehensive sampling at the population/subspecies level before proposing any split.'
Fuchs & Pons (in press). A new classification of the Pied Woodpeckers assemblage (Dendropicini, Picidae) based on a comprehensive multi-locus phylogeny. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]
'The DNA divergence between the two D. maculatus subspecies we sampled is very high (6.1%) and may suggest that this taxon is in fact composed of several biological species. Such a high level of genetic differences between avian populations from the Philippines has already been highlighted (Oliveros and Moyle, 2010; Hosner et al., 2014). Yet, a clear understanding of the num- ber of biological species in D. maculatus would first necessitate a comprehensive sampling at the population/subspecies level before proposing any split.'
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From the Porphyrio thread
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Peter Kovalik
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Phylogeographic analysis of mitogenomes of five tropical Asian birds
(poster)
Elizabeth Reardon, Haw Chuan Lim, Ehsan Kayal, Michael Braun
includes Irena puella and Pycnonotus atriceps
Objective
Utilize mitochondrial genome data to examine and analyze the population divergence patterns of five species of tropical Asian birds.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_of_mitogenomes_of_five_tropical_Asian_birds
(poster)
Elizabeth Reardon, Haw Chuan Lim, Ehsan Kayal, Michael Braun
includes Irena puella and Pycnonotus atriceps
Objective
Utilize mitochondrial genome data to examine and analyze the population divergence patterns of five species of tropical Asian birds.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_of_mitogenomes_of_five_tropical_Asian_birds
Posted by Melanie on Glossy Swiftlet thread:
Also in Merops thread
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Consideration
'Genetic distance shows that the differences between M. v. viridis and M. v. americanus is higher than that M. v. viridis vs M. leschenaulti based on Cyt b gene. Morphology, geographical distribution and genetic data suggest the elevation of M. v. americanus to a full species Rufous-crowned Bee-eater M. americanus, supporting the latest taxonomic arrangement by IUCN'
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Consideration
'Genetic distance shows that the differences between M. v. viridis and M. v. americanus is higher than that M. v. viridis vs M. leschenaulti based on Cyt b gene. Morphology, geographical distribution and genetic data suggest the elevation of M. v. americanus to a full species Rufous-crowned Bee-eater M. americanus, supporting the latest taxonomic arrangement by IUCN'
Andy Adcock
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Hi Des,
where does the name 'Americanus' come from in an Asian species?
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where does the name 'Americanus' come from in an Asian species?
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Andy,
I am sure there is a host of people more knowledgeable about this on the forum than I am, but I will chance my arm with the guess that the collection location of the original type specimen was wrongly thought to be in the Americas (Muller, 1776). There were quite few hiccups like this made, eg Lalage chilensis
Des
Andy Adcock
Worst person on Birdforum
Thanks Des,
scientific names can be and do get changed and this seems an appropriate candidate to me?
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l_raty
laurent raty
Statius Müller 1776 [OD] cited Buffon and gave "Isle-de-France" as the bird's origin. He presumably based himself on the Planche Enluminée n° 252 [here], where the bird is given as "Guêpier de l'Isle-de-France". (The earliest actual description by Buffon that I seemingly can find ([here]) is posterior to the naming of the bird.) Brisson in 1760 [here] had already called the bird by that name, although with a slightly different spelling ("Le Guespier de l'Isle de France"; "Apiaster ex Franciae Insula" in his non-binominal Latin).
"L'Isle-de-France" is Mauritius, and indeed an incorrect type locality for the species -- Brisson says the original specimen was sent to France from there; assuming this was correct, Mauritius will only have been a stopover in the bird's journey to Europe. But it's not in the Americas, hence it doesn't explain the name. The name suggests that Statius Müller additionally misinterpreted this incorrect type locality, perhaps confusing the name with that of one of the French American territories.
Scientific names cannot be changed for this type of reason. See [ICZN Art. 18].
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Andy Adcock
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I see that they don't do it for this reason but it's plain wrong especially if as you can seem to show, it is in error, isn't that enough?
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James Jobling
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Statius Müller's 1776, Merops americanus, was based on de Buffon's Guêpier de l'Isle de France. He probably forgot that the Île de France (now Mauritius) was in the Indian Ocean, and perhaps thought it was either in the West Indies or in Louisiana (French America), or had come thence via Mauritius. Despite the fact that both de Buffon and Statius Müller were wrong as to the habitat of their bird, the name must still stand, joining such as Numenius madagascariensis, Sakesphorus canadensis, Bucco capensis, Touit batavica, Caryothraustes canadensis and Turnagra capensis. However, they are only labels by which birds or animals can be identified; once we start changing scientific names because they are "wrong" chaos will prevail. Before you know where we are someone will be trying to regulate English bird-names!
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Nutcracker
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Don't know about this case, but in a plant case, Scilla peruviana (native to Portugal) was so named because the specimen was delivered to Linnaeus on board the good ship Peru, and he misinterpreted the dispatch note as being its origin, rather than its means of conveyance.
So maybe Buffon's bee-eater was imported on a ship called the America???
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Surely l'Île-de-France is the Paris area?
So maybe Buffon's bee-eater was imported on a ship called the America???
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Surely l'Île-de-France is the Paris area?
l_raty
laurent raty
The problem is, the limit between what is "plain wrong" and the rest is a quite blurry one. As is noted in the Code, swifts do have legs, thus Apus is (plain?) wrong too. Where do you stop?
As they say, "For other uses, see Île-de-France (disambiguation)."
