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Old Friday 2nd March 2007, 08:13   #76
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Old Friday 2nd March 2007, 09:38   #77
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Helen Mirren still looks pretty good at 61.
Yes she did. Let's hope nature has been kind to her but I suspect she had a little help from pixel-smoothing video software, make-up and lighting techniques, at least.
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Old Friday 2nd March 2007, 09:47   #78
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First, he fails to point out that I couldn't possibly be taken for mid-fifties.

Then, he implies that I might be 61.

No amount of chocolate and baguettes is going to compensate for this.
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Old Friday 2nd March 2007, 13:10   #79
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I coming back as a man in the next life!!!! you definately get it easier - men mature and look better with age I think - well up to about 60ish!! and woman (some!) just get old and wrinkly!!!!!
Yeah, but women have the advantage after... a certain age, after we've gone through the whole George Clooney bit. Men, we just begin to disintegrate and get that glazed vacant expression. Lots of women (at least here) still seem pretty active later in life, poodling around shopping and going to bingo and on hols. (I think it's after they've collected the insurance on us men, and sold all our scopes on e-bay...)
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Old Friday 2nd March 2007, 21:16   #80
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Yeah, but women have the advantage after... a certain age, after we've gone through the whole George Clooney bit. Men, we just begin to disintegrate and get that glazed vacant expression. Lots of women (at least here) still seem pretty active later in life, poodling around shopping and going to bingo and on hols. (I think it's after they've collected the insurance on us men, and sold all our scopes on e-bay...)


Don't do bingo though. Men that get a 'glazed vacant expression' need a new bird to lift their spirits!!!!!

Anyway, we really must get back on thread!!!!!

Nikon ED50 with 13-40 Zoom -
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Old Saturday 3rd March 2007, 09:20   #81
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Had a look at Warehouse Express. Nikon Fieldscope III angled body £249. 20-60x zoom eyepiece £229. Sherpa 250R £59.
Total £537.
Any thoughts, eg different eyepiece?
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Old Saturday 3rd March 2007, 10:00   #82
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Nice combo, but you could get a buy it now III EDA with 30x for £520 on ebay but doesn't include tripod and add a zoom later. Sorry I haven't gone all the way through this thread to see if you must have a tripod included in your budget.
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Nice combo, but you could get a buy it now III EDA with 30x for £520 on ebay but doesn't include tripod and add a zoom later. Sorry I haven't gone all the way through this thread to see if you must have a tripod included in your budget.
Hmm, that's very tempting, but it does need a tripod, £500 was the overall budget, might just push it a bit, but I'm 13, it's up to my parents and I'm not going to get the money for a while (see first post in thread).
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You may be able to get a tripod quite cheaply. I picked up a Manfrotto Junior tripod on ebay for £10.
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Old Saturday 3rd March 2007, 12:57   #85
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I think you'll find that they only have the straight version of the FSIII. It's a fine scope, though.

I see WE have the Kowa 60mm ED scopes for just under £600-00 with 327x.
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Old Saturday 3rd March 2007, 14:25   #86
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Jyothi,

I think you need to take your time mate & get to a few optics field days & test out some scopes after you have done your research & narrowed down your choices. After all £500 is a lot of dosh & you don't want to make the wrong decision. The two scopes being recommended to you, ES80ED & ED50, are both excellent, I've owned both, in fact I traded the ES80 for the ED50. The main point is though that I definately would not spend that kind of money without trying the hardware out first & certainly wouldn't go the E-Bay route. Best to buy from a good optical retailer in my opinion such as Cley Spy, In-Focus, LCE, Kay Optical etc they will give you good advice & after sale back up.

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Good advice - eBay can be very pricey for good optics and with no guarantees at all. I think trying before buying is sound but with the top scopes, they really are all very good. In the wider family we have four different scopes and, frankly, I could get used to any of them.
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Those last two posts, Jyothi Ray, were excellent advice. I didn´t realise you were a younger up-and-coming birder, given that you´ve a few years to go before entering the workforce, it´s important that you really like what you buy and that it´s right for you. It´s all very well for us dinosaurs to be reckless with our inheritances , but I´ll warrant that whatever you get now will have to do you for quite a few years before you can "upgrade" (god, I hate that word!), so you want to get it right. Best of Luck with your choice, and years and years of happy birding!
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I looked through a Kowa 603 with zoom this afternoon - it gave an excellent view of a distant peregrine but I'd say the the Nikon ED50 was as bright. I'd give that diminutive but wonderful scope very serious thought.
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Have you looked at the European Retailers thread? There's a German retailer advertising a straight Zeiss Diascope 65 with 23x for 666 euro (= £452).
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I'd forget the ED50 for now (ooh controversial) it is good for close up, nice and wide, can be hand-held and great in hides on a clamp etc.

I took mine out recently and forgot to take the zoom - As I was near the coast i soon wished I'd took the ED78 and 25-75x for the extra reach.

Opticron is the way to go for that price range, and as Mr Duxon said (wotch yer Pete) second hand will be fine from a dealer

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There is an second hand opticron ES80ED with SDL zoom for sale from in-focus within the next few weeks but I am guessing the price would be a shade over 500 quid. If there is an in-focus shop near you, they can send it there from martin mere.

Take your time with the search for a new scope though as you need to be sure with what you buy.

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Sorry to be a bore and keep asking questions, but you lot all have different scopes and are very helpful in giving advice. I've found a Kowa TSN821M with 21XW eyepiece (but no scope) for £508 Warehouse Express. Ideas?
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Sorry to be a bore and keep asking questions, but you lot all have different scopes and are very helpful in giving advice. I've found a Kowa TSN821M with 21XW eyepiece (but no scope) for £508 Warehouse Express. Ideas?
The 821M is a very good scope, though you would be able to pick up a used one for a good deal less than that.

There are a number of very good scopes that are within your budget, and even more if you look at secondhand scopes too. As others have said the best bet is to get along to a shop and test them for yourself. No matter how much others may like any given scope, it doesn't mean it's the right one for you.
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Sorry to be a bore and keep asking questions, but you lot all have different scopes and are very helpful in giving advice. I've found a Kowa TSN821M with 21XW eyepiece (but no scope) for £508 Warehouse Express. Ideas?
Argghhh... "You lot" - my hated expression.

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But to the question... For £599.00 you can get the ED version of the Opticron ES80GA with 32xWHDF which strikes me as much better than a non-ED Kowa.

I would buy new if you can, myself.
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Argghhh... "You lot" - my hated expression.

(-;

But to the question... For £599.00 you can get the ED version of the Opticron ES80GA with 32xWHDF which strikes me as much better than a non-ED Kowa.

I would buy new if you can, myself.
you can get the ES80ED with hdf 20-60 zoom for £570 or with the 32ww for £539 from

http://www.sherwoods-photo.com/optic...e_index_fs.htm

but postcardcv is right go somewhere and try first
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But to the question... For £599.00 you can get the ED version of the Opticron ES80GA with 32xWHDF which strikes me as much better than a non-ED Kowa.

I would buy new if you can, myself.
I'd agree, that I would prefer and ES80Ed to a TSN821M, but that's me.

Out of interest why would you recommend buy new rather than secondhand? I have bought many secondhand hand bins and scope over the years, doinmg so has allowed me to own better optics than I could afford buying new. So long as a secondhand scope is in good condition I see no reason not to save some money.
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I'd agree, that I would prefer and ES80Ed to a TSN821M, but that's me.

Out of interest why would you recommend buy new rather than secondhand? I have bought many secondhand hand bins and scope over the years, doinmg so has allowed me to own better optics than I could afford buying new. So long as a secondhand scope is in good condition I see no reason not to save some money.
It's not as clear cut as I suggest and in some ways I'm in agreement with you but, in general, for most people, I have a feeling that buying new will turn out to be less risky and often give more overall satisfaction.

Partly this view is based on the fact that I have not, overall, had the best experience of second-hand equipment myself and also because when I sold kit through eBay I obtained so very much more than I'd hoped that I realised that s/h optics fetch such a premium that you are not always getting good value for money.

When shops take in s/h gear they give so little and yet charge so very much. They have their reasons, but some out-of-date kit is still on sale at, what I would say, is too high a price when put against new kit from the likes of, for example, Opticron.
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Hi Jyothi! How's the search going? Hope you've had a chance to compare some of the likely contenders side by side by now! If not, be sure to pester other birders for a look through their scopes and ask them for their thoughts - gear is most birders' second favourite topic...after the birds themselves of course!!
As for my thoughts: If it was me at 13 yrs old I would go for the best 60mm waterproof ED scope I could afford - the Nikon EDIII at W/E is an absolute steal at the current price!! Why 60mm? I'm just wondering if an 80mm scope's going to quickly seem a mistake. By the time you've paired it with an appropriate tripod & stay-on-case etc you'll be over 3kg - a heck of a weight to lug around all day without a car. As for the 50mm Nikon - a mini marvel yes, and as a second travel scope it's a dream, but as your ONLY scope for the next 5 years or more? Maybe not. I'd have my doubts as to the durability of the ED50 tripod mount until they make some modifications (which I expect they will) but more seriously it's not going to give you the level of performance of a 60mm ED scope in poor light conditions or at higher mags. That's just mathematics!! In the end whatever you choose is a compromise of weight to performance but a good 60mm ED scope is going to see you into your twenties with few regrets I reckon! And you won't think twice about carrying it with you on the long slog up Blakeney Point or wherever!! Oh, I also agree with posters recommending to buy new - warranty, service back up etc.
Anyway, whatever you go for make sure YOU like it!! Optics are such a personal thing and what seems fabulous to one pair of eyes absolutely drives someone else up the wall!! For instance: I love the Leica scopes but just cannot get on with their current bins!
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My turn now.............

I'm a bit older than you, but am looking for a scope with the same budget, the only difference is I already have an Opticron HDF zoom and so am looking at body only. I've had a look through the GS665, GS665ED and ES80ED.

Based on these observations (in shite light), ED is better than non - image is sharper and slightly brighter (wether this is worth the extra £'s is a moot point). As for 60mm (66.5) vs 80mm, at lower mags there was nothing in it, but at +40x range, as expected the 80mm scope showed a noticeable improvement.

If you think weight will be an issue, and you won't use over 40x, go with a 60mm ED. If you want more mag and don't mind a wonkey shoulder ;-) go 80mm ED. However on a budget, one option is to go 60mm non-ED and buy a better eyepiece with the money saved, knowing that in a few years time you can upgrade the body. Whatever you do - as advised elsewhere - try before you buy that's the best piece of advice you can get

Me....... I'm looking again at the ES80ED on Sunday. My shoulders say the GS665ED, but I know once I get out in the field I'll pine for the extra magnification and light!
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My turn now.............

I'm a bit older than you, but am looking for a scope with the same budget, the only difference is I already have an Opticron HDF zoom and so am looking at body only. I've had a look through the GS665, GS665ED and ES80ED.

Based on these observations (in shite light), ED is better than non - image is sharper and slightly brighter (wether this is worth the extra £'s is a moot point). As for 60mm (66.5) vs 80mm, at lower mags there was nothing in it, but at +40x range, as expected the 80mm scope showed a noticeable improvement.

If you think weight will be an issue, and you won't use over 40x, go with a 60mm ED. If you want more mag and don't mind a wonkey shoulder ;-) go 80mm ED. However on a budget, one option is to go 60mm non-ED and buy a better eyepiece with the money saved, knowing that in a few years time you can upgrade the body. Whatever you do - as advised elsewhere - try before you buy that's the best piece of advice you can get

Me....... I'm looking again at the ES80ED on Sunday. My shoulders say the GS665ED, but I know once I get out in the field I'll pine for the extra magnification and light!
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