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Old Tuesday 14th August 2018, 17:18   #1
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Black birds in London

Saw two different black birds in London. Can someone ID for me please.
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Old Tuesday 14th August 2018, 18:23   #2
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Both Carrion Crows. The first seems to have got some mud/dirt on its face.
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Old Tuesday 14th August 2018, 18:28   #3
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Thank you very much. How do you tell so that I will know for next time to tell them from other black birds?
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Old Tuesday 14th August 2018, 18:34   #4
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Thank you very much. How do you tell so that I will know for next time to tell them from other black birds?
They're very similar to American Crows. By contrast, Rooks have a subtly different profile (and adult Rooks have a bare whitish face), and Jackdaws have a grey back of the neck, a shorter bill, and silvery irides.
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Old Tuesday 14th August 2018, 19:12   #5
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Thank you very much. Really appreciate your help.
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 05:55   #6
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I know you're most probably familiar with the RSPB but these pages are simple to understand and may help too -

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wi...z/crow-family/

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wi...a-z/blackbird/
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 06:03   #7
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Thank you very much Richie. Although I have seen almost 1000 birds in many countries, it is my first time looking for birds in Europe. Very helpful information.
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 08:48   #8
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Thank you very much Richie. Although I have seen almost 1000 birds in many countries, it is my first time looking for birds in Europe. Very helpful information.
Wow almost 1000 - I think I'm nearly up to 100, but only been doing this over a year now so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

I thought you may be a seasoned birder but those pages, though basic, are good for quick identification help - well, they help me ha ha
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 09:43   #9
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Do possibly have another photo of bird 1. From this angle the bill looks a little too pointed for Carrion Crow IMO. It could be a juvenile Rook I'd say. They can look very similar.
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Wow almost 1000 - I think I'm nearly up to 100, but only been doing this over a year now so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

I thought you may be a seasoned birder but those pages, though basic, are good for quick identification help - well, they help me ha ha
Yes, almost 1000 birds. 974 before coming to England. But I am new at birding in Europe and need some help. Hope to hit 1000 before I go home. Have found 9 so far in London. Have been spending most of my time taking in the typical tourist attractions so far.
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 15:26   #11
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Do possibly have another photo of bird 1. From this angle the bill looks a little too pointed for Carrion Crow IMO. It could be a juvenile Rook I'd say. They can look very similar.
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Old Wednesday 15th August 2018, 15:49   #12
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Surprisingly difficult, because I think this bird is somewhat immature. But by the time imm. Rook has lost that much feathering from the top of the bill, it would be starting to display other adult characteristics like shaggier thighs and the start of a bare patch at the base of the bill. Therefore my guess is Carrion Crow.

We don't have that ID problem in Ireland, where the CC is replaced by Hooded Crow!
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Do possibly have another photo of bird 1. From this angle the bill looks a little too pointed for Carrion Crow IMO. It could be a juvenile Rook I'd say. They can look very similar.
Very unlikely to be a Rook in London unless in more rural outskirts. If in a London park almost definitely a Carrion Crow!
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From this angle no problem to call it Carrion Crow...
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Very unlikely to be a Rook in London unless in more rural outskirts. If in a London park almost definitely a Carrion Crow!
Seen in Green Park and again in Kensington Gardens.
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Seen in Green Park and again in Kensington Gardens.
Rook would be a major rarity here on the deck. Only Carrion Crows + a few Jackdaws.
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Good luck on reaching your millennium of birds I am sure you will pick up plenty here in UK. A word of caution though if birding in the royal parks of London..... many of the wildfowl will not be wild birds even though some are species that are indigenous.
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Wow almost 1000 - I think I'm nearly up to 100, but only been doing this over a year now so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

I thought you may be a seasoned birder but those pages, though basic, are good for quick identification help - well, they help me ha ha
You can visit a place like Kasese / Queen Elizabeth NP in Uganda... you can see nearly 200 species in one day
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You can visit a place like Kasese / Queen Elizabeth NP in Uganda... you can see nearly 200 species in one day
Africa is on my list of places to go.
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Good luck on reaching your millennium of birds I am sure you will pick up plenty here in UK. A word of caution though if birding in the royal parks of London..... many of the wildfowl will not be wild birds even though some are species that are indigenous.
Thank you. City parks around the world often have tame birds. Some are wild birds that have come to exist on human handouts and stay in the parks. Most of them are common and I have seen before such as Rock Dove, Mute Swan, Canada Goose, Greylag Goose, Starlings, several species of ducks and other common park birds.
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