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Old Monday 19th December 2011, 13:06   #1
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SLR Magic 12-36x50 ED Spotting Scope

Hello m4/3 lovers and user

what you think of this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...#ht_740wt_1185

the price seem to be very tempting.
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Old Monday 19th December 2011, 14:39   #2
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Difficult to say. I tried the other day handholding my GH2 w the 14-42 lens to the ocular of my scope with decent results (much vignetting but the bird in the center could easily be cropped out.
I do not have a clue about the optical quality of the scope part of the setup.

Maybe also ask the question in the scope section of BF (http://www.birdforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=286)

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Old Monday 19th December 2011, 15:44   #3
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i was not sure where to put this thread, thanks Niels i will ask them there.

i was planning for a setup like the one used by Brian Du Bretagne, i adore his works

http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...6/limit/recent

but it will cost me with the handling and shipping here more than 3000 USD and it seem to be very bulky.
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Old Wednesday 4th January 2012, 02:30   #4
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Hi all,

I was given the opportunity to buy this scope for $250 but at the time I went for a Sigma 150-500mm lens. Wondering if I made a mistake since of the price difference.

I would be very interested in seeing the reviews of this scope. Maybe my next birthday present if the optics are up to par.

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i don't think you made a mistake, Sigma 500mm lenses are great one i got the 50-500mm for my Olympus cameras and its giving a good reach (1000mm on the full frame). but for some elusive birds i feel a longer reach is needed.

was thinking of a Kowa or other brand spotting scope but when i found this as it is specially made for m4/3, i thought no way the IQ with only 500 USD could be comparable to the achieved with a good brand scope with 2000+ USD, but then who knows.
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Old Wednesday 11th January 2012, 04:08   #6
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Its a nice lens but it loses a bit of shapness at 500mm. One thing I noticed though if you hack the Panasonic GH2 way past 132 mega bit the quality is so good that you don't notice the drop in sharpness.

Just got get myself a faster card to cope with the higher bit rates.
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Its a nice lens but it loses a bit of shapness at 500mm.
from my use to Sigma 50-500mm, i noticed it gives sharper results at 500mm when you stop it down to 8 or 9, specially for distance bird. and if the BG is far you can still get good isolation at f 11, like in here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ammadou...n/photostream/

here it was a bit closer yet the f 11 gave clean bokeh.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ammadou...n/photostream/

both shots were on the same BG.
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Did you take it on a Olympus Camera? - so I presume that was a Micro 4/3 system or slightly different?

For some reason the 50-500mm seems to perform well on the Panasonic GH2 and on your it seems.

As soon as I can afford a much faster memory card I will crank up the bit rate so its on full power!!
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Did you take it on a Olympus Camera? - so I presume that was a Micro 4/3 system or slightly different?

For some reason the 50-500mm seems to perform well on the Panasonic GH2 and on your it seems.

As soon as I can afford a much faster memory card I will crank up the bit rate so its on full power!!
no both are taken on DSLR Olympus E620.

this is taken with m4/3 Olympus EPL1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ammadou...in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ammadou...in/photostream

but with manual focus, as AF is very slow with the Bigma. but the MF is more accurate than what you get with the Zuiko 70-300mm.

here a 16 GB with 30 MB/s speed SD card (scan disk) is worth what is equal to 50USD.

a CF some how coast more wonder why.
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Have you thought of trying the EC14 convertor with the Bigma? I have heard it works quite well, the EC20 can be more difficult.
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Have you thought of trying the EC14 convertor with the Bigma? I have heard it works quite well, the EC20 can be more difficult.
i thought so as it would make it reach to 700mm (1400 full frame) but i was not happy with the results, maybe that i did not try enough it was only once two year ago and with a willow warbler that is requires high shutter speed.

but Colin Bax is getting some nice results with this combination.

http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...4/ppuser/53334

http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...0/ppuser/53334

http://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sho...7/ppuser/53334

but not as sharp as the images he posts with the Bigma alone

i still think to get a long reach with Olympus cameras (DSLR or m4/3) one need a spotted scope, i am very interested in the Kowa 880, but it is really expensive, have to save.
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Unfortunately with optical instruments there usually is a correlation: you get what you pay for ...

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Old Thursday 12th January 2012, 18:13   #13
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Unfortunately with optical instruments there usually is a correlation: you get what you pay for ...

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that's right, but i am thinking also even if i can afford it, is it worth it, i just do it for fun isn't the Bigma and the Lumix 100-300mm, enough?

but i still want to do digiscoping
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Old Friday 13th January 2012, 12:15   #14
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Personally, I did some digiscoping a while back but with the reach you have I would imagine the additional benefits to be minor, especially considering the added time to set up the digiscoping equipment. Do consider that with increased distance you get increased degradation of the image due to air movements no matter how you capture the image.

One person who might give you some good info regarding relative merit of digiscoping and regular lens photos would be Neil, as he seems to be continually using both.

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thanks Niles so much.

you may think its crazy but some of the birds that come to the back of my house are driving me mad they are only less than 50 meter away and i can't capture them at all. using a blind or hide is not very nice option here it is a bit hot being inside a prison is something i can't take, bet claustrophobic i am afraid.
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I may get some samples sent from SLR Magic sometime soon. If anybody is interested that is. These should be full resolution and not the cropped samples that are seen on eBay.

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Well after a 3 or more days of waiting around doesn't look like I will get any samples at all, strange really when they said they would send it.
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Don't worry Chris, thanks anyway
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I am sure though we see what its performance is eventually.
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SLR Magic Scope Examples

Today I got a reply from SLR Magic and they kindly provided me with some samples.

Its the same as ebay site but bigger.

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I am still getting to grips with My Sigma 50-500mm on an E520, but def getting better :) so will try the EC-14 on it when we get some better light.

My friend is using a G1 with a Pany 70-300 and getting some cracking shots, i think that lens outperforms my oly 70-300. She is yet to try the Bigma on it.
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Today I got a reply from SLR Magic and they kindly provided me with some samples.

Its the same as ebay site but bigger.

i like the more closeup flamingo shot that is showing on ebay, but as my connection was and still bad, i did not brows the images very well, on a first look the shots are not so sharp, but that could be for many different reasons, one very important is that he/she is using it for first time, some lenses take a month for the user to adjust for them.

it took me about 5 months to get satisfactory results form the Bigma + E620, and after getting used to the Bigma it took me two weeks to start to get some sharp images with the E5.

would like also to know some more technical about it, like how it performs with AF.

thanks so much Chris.
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I am still getting to grips with My Sigma 50-500mm on an E520, but def getting better :) so will try the EC-14 on it when we get some better light.

My friend is using a G1 with a Pany 70-300 and getting some cracking shots, i think that lens outperforms my oly 70-300. She is yet to try the Bigma on it.
i have used the E520 for only one month and it was mostly with the Olympus 70-300mm, and i was not happy.

when i got the E620 not happy also with the Olympus 70-300mm, but gave me super results with the Bigma.

using the Bigma with the mirror less EPL1 gave very good results, but only with Manual focus, as AF is very slow and for bird photography very frustrating.

not sure how the mirror less G1 with do with the Bigma and will the electronic viewfinder give accurate view for sharp focusing. would love to see the results.

the lens you are talking about should be the pana (Lumix) 100-300mm for the m4/3. yes it is a super lens in every aspect, fast AF, accurate focus, as well as relitavly fast (max aperture is 5.6), not to mention its light weight.
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Year the SLR Scope looks not so sharp as some 1700 scopes but that in a sense was to be expected. At the end of the day in digiscoping you pay for what you get.

However I am yet still to see more samples and a proper review before I can fully say this scope just isn't worth it.

Here are from a Swarovski Scope and as you can see more money is a sharper image. I might end up getting this scope in future who knows.

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Have you thought of trying the EC14 convertor with the Bigma? I have heard it works quite well, the EC20 can be more difficult.
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I have tried both combos.

The EC14 together with the 50-500 is capable of producing decent results. Here are a few samples of images @ 708mm that I am quite pleased with, slightly cropped and resized for rendering on this forum.

708mm is a respectable focal length, use of tripod is strongly recommended.
  • Sample 1. E-620, 1/250s, F/10, 800 ISO, 5 meters distance
  • Sample 2. E-620, 1/200s, F/8, 800 ISO, 18 meters distance

The Bigma with EC20 is however a completely different story. I have made some serious attempts but none has ended up with any satisfactory result. Pictures end up soft even in good light conditions. Stay away from this combo.


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