Melanie
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Thanks for the research. Very interesting material.
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Looking for information about Emil Kaempfer (1 Viewer)
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Thanks for the research. Very interesting material.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Quick glance ...
But still (sorry, I wish I wasn't) a bit worried on the spelling of the Surname; Kaempfer vs Kämpfer ... as the following page, p.327, tells us about his wife, supposedly by the name "Kathe Kaempfer" ... isn´t Käthe a far more common name than "Kathe" in Germany (alt. Austria/Switzerland, or even the German parts of Poland)?
Either way, it´s just a thought, the Portuguese language is far, far of my turf (and the letter K is still far, too far, away in my MS).
I´ll deal with him, and dive into this Paper, later.
Cheers!
Björn
PS. Is there any birth record found (from the Place of birth itself)?
PS. Either way, Fernando; regardless of the petty remarks above. Well done! A lot of research! From what (little) I understand: Resulting in a far better Picture of this guy than we've ever had before! :clap:
Ouups! Apparently born in 1889 ... :eek!: ... in "Posen" (Poznań, in today's Poland) and fl. 1947 (when he flew to New York) ... wow!
But still (sorry, I wish I wasn't) a bit worried on the spelling of the Surname; Kaempfer vs Kämpfer ... as the following page, p.327, tells us about his wife, supposedly by the name "Kathe Kaempfer" ... isn´t Käthe a far more common name than "Kathe" in Germany (alt. Austria/Switzerland, or even the German parts of Poland)?
Either way, it´s just a thought, the Portuguese language is far, far of my turf (and the letter K is still far, too far, away in my MS).
I´ll deal with him, and dive into this Paper, later.
Cheers!
Björn
PS. Is there any birth record found (from the Place of birth itself)?
PS. Either way, Fernando; regardless of the petty remarks above. Well done! A lot of research! From what (little) I understand: Resulting in a far better Picture of this guy than we've ever had before! :clap:
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
I simply could keep my curiosity in place ...
To me (helped only by Google Translate) it looks like Fernando Costa Straube ("juruva") agrees on our doubts, earlier posted in this thread, regarding the alleged death of Mr K ...
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To me (helped only by Google Translate) it looks like Fernando Costa Straube ("juruva") agrees on our doubts, earlier posted in this thread, regarding the alleged death of Mr K ...
Also note the foot-note on p.326:
Indicating that Mr K was still alive all the way until the mid-1980's!
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Here´s an Original document pointing (strongly) in favour of the spelling Kaempfer contra the suggested version Kämpfer ...
According to the Polish State Archive in Poznan (here*) there was a boy by the name Emil born in February 1889, in Poznán (Posen), Son to Louis Kaempfer and his wife Anna Kaempfer (née Heilbronn), birth record dated 11 (?) February the same year.
See No. "1926/1/209, scan 262" (53/1926/0/1/209), added 2017-02-06 ... or the two attached jpgs.
It´s a pretty good match for the "Emil Kaempfer", that (according to "Ruinas e urubus: historia da ornitologia no Parana") was the; "filho [Son] de Louis Kaempfer e de Ana Kaempfer"!
Also note the scribblings in the upper left Corner, from 1941. Did he add a second Christian name; "Israel"?
However; if this truly is the newly born boy who later collected for Mrs Elsie Naumburg in Brazil, ending up in São Paulo, is far beyond me. But that´s me, not understanding Portuguese (nor Polish and very little German), not getting the full context.
Maybe it´s more obvious for "juruva"?
Either way; enjoy!
Björn
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According to the Polish State Archive in Poznan (here*) there was a boy by the name Emil born in February 1889, in Poznán (Posen), Son to Louis Kaempfer and his wife Anna Kaempfer (née Heilbronn), birth record dated 11 (?) February the same year.
See No. "1926/1/209, scan 262" (53/1926/0/1/209), added 2017-02-06 ... or the two attached jpgs.
It´s a pretty good match for the "Emil Kaempfer", that (according to "Ruinas e urubus: historia da ornitologia no Parana") was the; "filho [Son] de Louis Kaempfer e de Ana Kaempfer"!
Also note the scribblings in the upper left Corner, from 1941. Did he add a second Christian name; "Israel"?
However; if this truly is the newly born boy who later collected for Mrs Elsie Naumburg in Brazil, ending up in São Paulo, is far beyond me. But that´s me, not understanding Portuguese (nor Polish and very little German), not getting the full context.
Maybe it´s more obvious for "juruva"?
Either way; enjoy!
Björn
__________________________________________________________
*Search for "Emil Kaempfer", then click on the "Poznán" bar (to the right).
PS. If anyone would like a better scan, of the full document, just let me know. If so, use the Private Message function here on BirdForum, and let me know your private e-mail address. The original scan is 2,3MB.
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Taphrospilus
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Looks to me like 7th (siebenten) February 1889.
l_raty
laurent raty
Jews that did not bear a Jewish first name were forced by Nazi law to add Israel or Sarah to their name in 1939.
The Kaempfer parents were both Jews ("mosaischer Religion") according to this birth record.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
If this document do say 7 February (like Martin seems to read it) I guess I did find the birth record of Emil Kaempfer!
Dates, year, place, parents ... they all match. Almost to good to be true.
Anyone think otherwise?
Dates, year, place, parents ... they all match. Almost to good to be true.
Anyone think otherwise?
l_raty
laurent raty
I read that as well.
The document is dated "11. Februar 1889" (as you noted), but the text says Louis Kaempfer declared on that day that:
(on the seventh February of the year thousand eight hundred eighty nine, in the morning at twelve-and-a-quarter, a child of the male sex was born, which received the first name of Emil.)
Taphrospilus
Well-known member
Picture of Emil Kaempfer p. 322 or 338 of 415.
Taphrospilus
Well-known member
As also related:
The Eponym Dictionary of Birds claims:
The Key to Scientific Names
No idea if there was really a middle name with E.
Strix nivicola obrieni Koelz 1954 Koelz, W. (1954). Ornithological studies. I. New birds from Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Contributions from the Institute for Regional Exploration, Ann Arbor, 1, 1–32 (Not seen)
Taphrospilus
Well-known member
I think this is his marriage record. Nevertheless still not clear when Emil Kaempfer died. His spouse was:
| Name | Käthe Singer |
|---|---|
| Birth | 18 Nov 1892 |
P.S. It might be worth to update obrieni with the additional names of #31.
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Whilst there is little doubt "our" Emil was in the US in 1947 I can find no proof he died there.
His entry permit in 1947 states that he intended to return to Sao Paulo. and he had a return ticket
Be aware there are at least 4 Emil Kaempfers in accessible records: One who lived in the US his whole life and 2 Swiss who visited the US - our man and these 3 (below). I would search for his death in Brazil.
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3)
His entry permit in 1947 states that he intended to return to Sao Paulo. and he had a return ticket
Be aware there are at least 4 Emil Kaempfers in accessible records: One who lived in the US his whole life and 2 Swiss who visited the US - our man and these 3 (below). I would search for his death in Brazil.
1)
| Born: |
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| Died | Nov 18 1957
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2)
| Birth: | Nov 3 1891 - Cape Girardeau, Cape Girardeau, Missouri |
| Death: | Nov 18 1954 - Poplar Bluff, Butler, Missouri, USA |
3)
| Birth: | June 11 1895 - Bern, Switz |
| Death: | Jan 28 1913 - Switz |
Taphrospilus
Well-known member
If Brasil I would go as discussed earlier for São Paulo. If I read Emil und der Kaempferspecht It could be that he died around 08.08.1985 in São Paulo.
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