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Please ID Pallid Harrier Or 3rd-cal-year female Montagu's Harrier ?

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Old Tuesday 11th November 2008, 16:21   #1
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Question Please ID Pallid Harrier Or 3rd-cal-year female Montagu's Harrier ?

Location: china Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Zhun Geer Basin

4530'51.00"N 8523'33.00"E

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Old Tuesday 11th November 2008, 18:36   #2
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hi wittmann , i would say your bird was a juv montagu's harrier
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Old Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:27   #3
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i would say probably pallid. in the 2nd pic of the mosaique there's a hint of a pale collar visible, secondaries on this (older than 2cy) appear darkish.
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Old Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:46   #4
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Notice the long p5!

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Old Tuesday 11th November 2008, 20:16   #5
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oups, hen harrier then?
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Old Wednesday 12th November 2008, 11:34   #6
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It's the first time I see this bird, but too far away.Photos can only send a point.

My reference books: collins birds guide (to the birds of BRITAIN & EUROPE) And The handbook of bird identification for EUROPE and the western Palearctic

I tend to Pallid Harrier ,but can not be sure~~~~~~~~~


Another problem:is this ju Pallas's Sea-Eagle ??

place : Karamay city Reservoir date:2004-6-9 gear: 80mmscope + canon a60
The same place, same time, Caspian Tern
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Old Wednesday 12th November 2008, 12:16   #7
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Hi Wittman,

Looks good for Immature Pallas's Fish Eagle - http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdim...=96&pagesize=1

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Old Wednesday 12th November 2008, 12:26   #8
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I tend to Pallid Harrier ,but can not be sure~~~~~~~~~
It has five fingers on the wing tips and is thus a juvenile Hen Harrier Circus cyaneus, like Jan hinted. Pallid and Montagu's Harrier only have four fingers. Also the large white patch on the uppertail coverts points towards Hen Harrier (the smaller species have a more narrow patch), as well as the general structure.

I agree on Pallas's Fish Eagle.
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Old Wednesday 12th November 2008, 13:50   #9
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five fingers

I see ! thanks JANJ CAU rockfowl I would like to thank everyone

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Old Wednesday 12th November 2008, 14:01   #10
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A Good example
http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/gif001/albanella09.gif
http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/albanelle.htm
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