Please ID Pallid Harrier Or 3rd-cal-year female Montagu's Harrier ?

wittmann · Tuesday 11th November 2008, 16:21

Location: china Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Zhun Geer Basin

45°30'51.00"N 85°23'33.00"E

Gear:canon 350d + ef400/5.6

jason stannage · Tuesday 11th November 2008, 18:36

hi wittmann , i would say your bird was a juv montagu's harrier

lou salomon · Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:27

i would say probably pallid. in the 2nd pic of the mosaique there's a hint of a pale collar visible, secondaries on this (older than 2cy) appear darkish.

JANJ · Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:46

Notice the long p5!

JanJ

lou salomon · Tuesday 11th November 2008, 20:16

oups, hen harrier then?

wittmann · Wednesday 12th November 2008, 11:34

It's the first time I see this bird, but too far away.Photos can only send a point.

My reference books: collins birds guide (to the birds of BRITAIN & EUROPE) And The handbook of bird identification for EUROPE and the western Palearctic

I tend to Pallid Harrier ,but can not be sure~~~~~~~~~

Another problem:is this ju Pallas's Sea-Eagle ??

place : Karamay city Reservoir date:2004-6-9 gear: 80mmscope + canon a60
The same place, same time, Caspian Tern

rockfowl · Wednesday 12th November 2008, 12:16

Hi Wittman,

Looks good for Immature Pallas's Fish Eagle - http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdim...=96&pagesize=1

Mark

CAU · Wednesday 12th November 2008, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by wittmann

I tend to Pallid Harrier ,but can not be sure~~~~~~~~~

It has five fingers on the wing tips and is thus a juvenile Hen Harrier Circus cyaneus, like Jan hinted. Pallid and Montagu's Harrier only have four fingers. Also the large white patch on the uppertail coverts points towards Hen Harrier (the smaller species have a more narrow patch), as well as the general structure.

I agree on Pallas's Fish Eagle.

wittmann · Wednesday 12th November 2008, 13:50

five fingers

I see !

thanks JANJ CAU rockfowl

I would like to thank everyone

wittmann · Wednesday 12th November 2008, 14:01

A Good example
http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/gif001/albanella09.gif
http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/albanelle.htm

Tuesday 11th November 2008, 16:21	#1
wittmann Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: xinjiang china Posts: 47	Please ID Pallid Harrier Or 3rd-cal-year female Montagu's Harrier ? Location: china Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Zhun Geer Basin 45°30'51.00"N 85°23'33.00"E Gear:canon 350d + ef400/5.6 Attached Thumbnails

Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:27	#3
lou salomon the birdonist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stuttgart Posts: 14,131	i would say probably pallid. in the 2nd pic of the mosaique there's a hint of a pale collar visible, secondaries on this (older than 2cy) appear darkish. __________________ lou

Tuesday 11th November 2008, 20:16	#5
lou salomon the birdonist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stuttgart Posts: 14,131	oups, hen harrier then? __________________ lou

Wednesday 12th November 2008, 11:34	#6
wittmann Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: xinjiang china Posts: 47	It's the first time I see this bird, but too far away.Photos can only send a point. My reference books: collins birds guide (to the birds of BRITAIN & EUROPE) And The handbook of bird identification for EUROPE and the western Palearctic I tend to Pallid Harrier ,but can not be sure~~~~~~~~~ Another problem:is this ju Pallas's Sea-Eagle ?? place : Karamay city Reservoir date:2004-6-9 gear: 80mmscope + canon a60 The same place, same time, Caspian Tern Attached Thumbnails

Wednesday 12th November 2008, 12:16	#7
rockfowl Mark Andrews Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Leicester, UK Posts: 8,056	Hi Wittman, Looks good for Immature Pallas's Fish Eagle - http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdim...=96&pagesize=1 Mark __________________ DigiPics & Artwork - http://www.smandrews.com Digivideos - http://www.youtube.com/user/rockfowlmarkandrews Support the Oriental Bird Club

Tuesday 11th November 2008, 18:36	#2
jason stannage Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: liverpool merseyside Posts: 812	hi wittmann , i would say your bird was a juv montagu's harrier

Tuesday 11th November 2008, 19:46	#4
JANJ Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 8,175	Notice the long p5! JanJ

Wednesday 12th November 2008, 13:50	#9
wittmann Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: xinjiang china Posts: 47	five fingers I see ! thanks JANJ CAU rockfowl I would like to thank everyone Last edited by wittmann : Wednesday 12th November 2008 at 13:54.

Wednesday 12th November 2008, 14:01	#10
wittmann Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: xinjiang china Posts: 47	A Good example http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/gif001/albanella09.gif http://www.ebnitalia.it/QB/QB001/albanelle.htm

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