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Zeiss Terra ED: First Look (1 Viewer)

Hello milord

I think that Zeiss' UK agent would have the answer, which is probably no.

Happy bird watching,
Arthur Pinewood

Greetings Mr Pinewood,
I have a feeling you may well be right, which is a damn shame.
It looks like I will have to get my butler Jeeves to pay the extra, and buy the binoculars in the U.K, as his Christmas present of silk handkerchiefs to me was pathetic. I might add that he has now been soundly thrashed across his tender buttocks with a stiff cane. I was expecting at least a Swarovski ATX - STX 95 spotting scope. ;) Mind you, ive already informed him that he will be holding the binoculars for me, as I browse the red deer and naked flashers on my country estate. :smoke:
 
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Greetings Mr Pinewood,
I have a feeling you may well be right, which is a damn shame.
It looks like I will have to get my butler Jeeves to pay the extra, and buy the binoculars in the U.K, as his Christmas present of silk handkerchiefs to me was pathetic. I might add that he has now been soundly thrashed across his tender buttocks with a stiff cane. I was expecting at least a Swarovski ATX - STX 95 spotting scope. Mind you, ive already told him he will be holding the binoculars for me, as I browse the red deer and naked flashers on my country estate :smoke:

Milord,

What can one expect of these continental firms? I understand your disappointments in servants, but please do not extend such thoughts to
Your most humble & obdt. servant,
Arthur Pinewood 3:)
 
Milord,

What can one expect of these continental firms? I understand your disappointments in servants, but please do not extend such thoughts to
Your most humble & obdt. servant,
Arthur Pinewood 3:)
Greetings Mr Pinewood,
What can one expect indeed, from these continental firms.
Many of my servants have been a disappointment to me over the years Arthur.
One can't get the staff these days you know.
It was as recent as Christmas eve that I caught one of my drivers in the green house, knee deep in one of my chambermaids. I wouldn't mind but they had flattened all the sun flowers. My Lord. O.B.E - M.B.E - K.F.C
 
This is my first time putting on a binocular strap on my new Terras but do you need to be a rocket scientist or what!? Any comments appreciated :D
 
Thursday morning past I ordered one from Camera Land. It arrived by Fedex on my door step Friday at 4:30 PM. Excellent service!

I note that on the title to this thread that I have not specified that I will be reviewing the 8 x 42 Terra ED. There also is a 10 x 42 version.


It was packaged in a tall plastic transparent container displaying the binocular in a vertical position. Very nice! It does put bubble wrap to shame! After taking the top off the container I took out the binocular and removed the rain guard and objective covers from it. The strap, warranty, registration, instructions and a fancy pouch with a drawstring closure were enclosed in the bottom of the container. It did not come with a case.

I put a spare strap on it and took it out on my deck to vet it out. Everything worked; there was no collimation problem so I sat down to examine it.

It has a heavy black rubber coating exterior similar to the coating on my 7 x 42 Victory FL. In short, it looks like a Zeiss binocular.

It is made in China. On the bottom of the left Objective Tube, next to the hinge it shows, in extremely tiny letters, the serial number along with the single word "China." The top of the Focus Knob has "Designed by ZEISS" printed on it.

The eye cups have 3 positions which stay firmly in place when extended. They don't operate as smoothly as the ones on my 7 x 42 Victory but they work well enough.

The oculars are set deep enough in the eye cups to accommodate eye glasses without keeping them too far from the lenses to affect the FOV. The 18mm eye relief appears to be accurate, both from what I could measure and from my own personal use. I found the eye cups to be very comfortable. I note here that the external width of the oculars are quite wide. About 23mm, which is wider than the oculars on my 7x42 Victory FL. The oculars also showed a number of small "false pupils" which I found did not show up in the view or affect it in any manner. Coatings are magenta.

The diopter ring is on the right ocular. It is commendably stiff but still easy to set. I found it to be "right on" my personal -1 setting.

The Focus Wheel turns clockwise to infinity. It focuses smoothly but it is quite fast. It only turns 360º beginning to end. Closest focus is 5.3 feet. Focus at infinity is about a 240º turn. There is plenty of accommodation past infinity for nearsighted users who want to use the binocular without wearing glasses. Personally, I would like the focus wheel to be just a bit stiffer in use but I had no problem with it because I am used to Nikon's very fast LX L focusers.

The objective lenses are set deeply into the barrels which have heavily blackened interiors. The lens coatings are green. I could see no other color reflections in them. Here is a quote from Zeiss about the coatings: "Care and maintenance The binocular lenses come standard with Zeiss MC coating. This protective coating noticeably reduces contamination (such as water, dirt and debris) of the lenses with a special smooth surface beading effect. Contaminants adhere less and can be quickly and easily removed, smear free. The Zeiss MC coating is also durable and abrasion resistant."

There is no built in tripod mounting thread. Zeiss recommends using it's Universal Tripod Adapter.

The Zeiss Limited Lifetime Warranty applies.

In use I found it to be remarkably resistant to glare, especially veiling glare when looking near the sun, and remarkably, even with the sun behind me. It is as good as any binocular I have in that respect and I am including my Nikon 10 x 32 EDG I and 10 x 42 SE.

The FOV of 375' @ 1000 yards is accurate. It has a generous sweet spot of at least 75% with a slow tapering off to the edges. Moderate pincushion distortion shows on horizontal and vertical edges.

It is very bright for a binocular in this price range. It is much brighter than my 8 x 42 Diamondback and my 8 x 42 Zen Ray Vista which I won here on Bird Forum. The last 2 evenings between 700PM until past 800PM I used it with my 7 x 42 FL on my deck until after the sun went under the horizon. The FL was brighter but when I compared the 2 of them on Cedar Waxwings perched high on dead branches in a maple tree about 100 feet away I could see the same detail on the birds with both although the Terra's birds were larger. Looking deep into the near canopy off my deck the FL was brighter but the Terra was also very good. I had no trouble seeing good color and detail on a house finch with it at 8:15 PM.

On CA I have to be careful because I am not affected by it but when looking at brightly lit edges and at the top of a mountain ridge I see very little coloration at all. What I see is the same as what I see in my best binoculars.

Colors, I note, particularly reds are very brilliant. At 8:15PM last night an American Flag waving in the wind was particularly bright with the Red and Blue standing out.

It does not come with a case but one can get a free binocular pouch from Zeiss for the cost of postage only.

I like this binocular.:t: It is easy to use and well built and better than I expected it to be. I'll keep it as my car binocular at least through winter so I can really vet it out!

Bob

PS: I think that I should make a brief comment on it's size since somewhere Zeiss describes it as compact for an 8 x 42. I'm not going to look that comment up either.

In comparisons with some similar binoculars I own it is shorter and somewhat more narrow than my Vortex 8 x 42 Diamondback; my Zen Ray 8 x 42 Vista and my Leupold 7 x 42 Cascade BX-2 and my Swift 8.5 x 44 Audubon 828. It fits loosely into their cases.
The 375 foot FOV would be the deal killer for me. Too narrow. Can't take the tunnel vision when I amused to 420 feet or above anymore. Just bought the Atlas Optics Intrepid ED 7x36 at Eagle Optics for $250 and it has a 477 foot FOV. Big difference. Why not have the bigger FOV. You can see more. Optics are probably as good as the Terra if not better.
 
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The 375 foot FOV would be the deal killer for me. Too narrow. Can't take the tunnel vision when I amused to 420 feet or above anymore. Just bought the Atlas Optics Intrepid ED 7x36 at Eagle Optics for $250 and it has a 477 foot FOV. Big difference. Why not have the bigger FOV. You can see more. Optics are probably as good as the Terra if not better.

That's you Dennis. Your opinion about its FOV doesn't make it a bad binocular.

It doesn't need any defending. Too many people have bought it over the last 2 years who like using it and it is still selling.:t:
 
The 375 foot FOV would be the deal killer for me. Too narrow. Can't take the tunnel vision when I amused to 420 feet or above anymore. ........

The wide immersive field of a 8X Nikon EII or a Zeiss SF is nice, but I would not label the FOV of the Terra 8X42 as tunnel vision. The 375 FOV for that price range is quite workable. There are other brands selling in the same general range, such as a Bushnell Elite or Monarch 5 8X42 at 330 ft, which are much less. There are some binoculars with a somewhat larger field, such as a Zen-Ray ZRS 8X42, but it does not have as large of a center view as the Terra.

As I recall, you could not say enough good things about the 8X42 Vanguard Endeavor ED a while back and it has a slightly smaller FOV at 368 ft. I do not remember you saying it had tunnel vision. I have both the Terra and Endeavor and though they are not immersive, they do have an acceptable FOV for that price class. An 8X42 roof binocular with the 420 FOV you are now looking for will be more expensive. Two that come to mind are the Zen-Ray ED3 (FOV 426 ft) at $420 and the new Zeiss SF (FOV 444 ft) at $2,600. Of course the Zen-Ray does not have near the center view of the SF. Most 8X binoculars that meet your new 420 requirement are 32mm class, not the 42mm covered in this thread.
 
That's you Dennis. Your opinion about its FOV doesn't make it a bad binocular.

It doesn't need any defending. Too many people have bought it over the last 2 years who like using it and it is still selling.:t:
I didn't say it was a bad binocular. I just said lately I tend to gravitate towards binoculars with a bigger FOV. 375 feet now days is considered on the smaller side, as far as, FOV goes. I would consider that a weak point for the Terra as would many others. I personally think the Nikon Monarch 7 8x42 HD is worth the $60 to $80 difference in price for the big difference in FOV alone with the Nikon having a 420 foot FOV. Some have said the M7 is sharper, brighter and have better CA control also.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/301625248071?lpid=82&chn=ps
 
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Dennis

You are absolutely right.

I am sure this is why the Zeiss SF has a much bigger FOV than Swaro EL SV.

Lee
I have a $400 Nikon EII 8x30 that has a bigger FOV(462 feet) than the Zeiss SF and a $250 AO Intrepid 7x36 ED that has a way bigger FOV(477 feet) and my old $600 Leica Trinovids 8x32 BA's FOV(443 feet,http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800828217-USE/Leica_8x32_BA_Trinovid_Rubber.html) are within 1 foot of the Zeiss SF's 444 FOV for a lot less money. The SV 8x32 has sharper edges than the Zeiss SF and from what I hear a bigger sweet spot so it all balances out. I think a 375 foot FOV is a weak point of the Terra's even though they may be fine binoculars for the money. Now that the Nikon 8x42 Monarch 7's have come down in price I would go for them over the Terra's. They are a better all around binocular.
 
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I have a $400 Nikon EII 8x30 that has a bigger FOV(465 feet) than the Zeiss SF and a $250 AO Intrepid 7x36 ED that has a way bigger FOV(475 feet) and my old $600 Leica Trinovids 8x32 BA's FOV(443 feet,http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800828217-USE/Leica_8x32_BA_Trinovid_Rubber.html) are within 1 foot of the Zeiss SF's 444 FOV for a lot less money. The SV 8x32 has sharper edges than the Zeiss SF and from what I hear a bigger sweet spot so it all balances out. I think a 375 foot FOV is a weak point of the Terra's even though they may be fine binoculars for the money. Now that the Nikon 8x42 Monarch 7's have come down in price I would go for them over the Terra's. They are a better all around binocular.

Hello Dennis

I was just teasing. All of those bins are interesting in their own way and all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

The edge sharpness question is a complicated one. Both Swaro and Zeiss claim their views are sharp to the edge and actually that's true but its also true that neither is quite as sharp at the edge as in the middle. In addition, it would be a close call to decide whether the Zeiss is as sharp or not as the Swaro, at the point in the Zeiss's FOV where the Swaro's FOV stops. I am talking here about the 42mm models.

Ultimate sharpness at the very edge of the FOV is of no importance at all to me, as long as bins are reasonably sharp out there so that I can make out what is coming into my peripheral vision, and all the alphas are easily good enough in this respect.

And just because SF has a fabulous FOV doesn't mean its the best in the world just as Swaro's sharp edges don't mean its top dog either, these will appeal to different people, but isn't it great that we have these choices now?

BTW I had some time with an EL 8x32 (non-SV) recently and what a lovely instrument it was, certainly up there with the old Leica BA/BN 32s.

Lee
 
Hello Dennis

I was just teasing. All of those bins are interesting in their own way and all have their own strengths and weaknesses.

The edge sharpness question is a complicated one. Both Swaro and Zeiss claim their views are sharp to the edge and actually that's true but its also true that neither is quite as sharp at the edge as in the middle. In addition, it would be a close call to decide whether the Zeiss is as sharp or not as the Swaro, at the point in the Zeiss's FOV where the Swaro's FOV stops. I am talking here about the 42mm models.

Ultimate sharpness at the very edge of the FOV is of no importance at all to me, as long as bins are reasonably sharp out there so that I can make out what is coming into my peripheral vision, and all the alphas are easily good enough in this respect.

And just because SF has a fabulous FOV doesn't mean its the best in the world just as Swaro's sharp edges don't mean its top dog either, these will appeal to different people, but isn't it great that we have these choices now?

BTW I had some time with an EL 8x32 (non-SV) recently and what a lovely instrument it was, certainly up there with the old Leica BA/BN 32s.

Lee
I agree about not needing absolutely razor edges and a big FOV is not everything but if they have a big sweet spot it is a plus if the binoculars have a big FOV. Give me a pair of binoculars with 375 feet and one with 430 feet FOV and I will almost take the one with the bigger FOV.
 
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