Id Request - GRK - 10 (1 Viewer)

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mihir

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• Nov 17, 2019

• #1

Request id help for these birds photographed during the passage migrants tour in Greater Rann of Kutch, Gujarat, India

1) Pallid Harrier?
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Andy Adcock

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• Nov 17, 2019

• #2

1 Unbarred primaries so Pied Harrier?
2 Is a Goshawk for me.
3 Brown Rock Chat
4 Pale Crag Martin?

 

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PYRTLE

Old Berkshire Boy

• Nov 17, 2019

• #3

4. Crag Martin type, doesn't look like a Dusky though.

 

Jean FRANCOIS

Well-known member

• Nov 17, 2019

• #4

2, Eurasian Sparrowhawk
Jean

 

Andy Adcock

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• Nov 17, 2019

• #5

Jean FRANCOIS said:

2, Eurasian Sparrowhawk
Jean

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On second look agree, a BIG, female.

 

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andyb39

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• Nov 18, 2019

• #6

The Harrier should be Pallid on face pattern (distinct crescent on ear-coverts joining stripe behind the eye and also meeting base of bill and relatively weak white markings above and below the rear of the eye), pale, if not white collar and dark "boa" on the neck. I'm not 100% sure, though, as there is some variability in these features. Dark carpal crescent better for Pallid, I think. However, lacks barring on outer primaries and secondaries look dark.

Any other opinions?

 

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andyb39

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• Nov 18, 2019

• #7

Pale Crag Martin doesn't seem to occur here. I think this bird looks OK for Dusky.

 

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mihir

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• Nov 18, 2019

• #8

andyb39 said:

The Harrier should be Pallid on face pattern (distinct crescent on ear-coverts joining stripe behind the eye and also meeting base of bill and relatively weak white markings above and below the rear of the eye), pale, if not white collar and dark "boa" on the neck. I'm not 100% sure, though, as there is some variability in these features. Dark carpal crescent better for Pallid, I think. However, lacks barring on outer primaries and secondaries look dark.

Any other opinions?

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Does this image help?

 

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Andy Adcock

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• Nov 18, 2019

• #9

Still think the primaries should be barred if it's Pallid?

 

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lou salomon

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• Nov 19, 2019

• #10

it's a juvenile male montagu's harrier. especially in males barring in outer primaries can be reduced or even lacking as in this extreme case. face pattern is all wrong for pallid and pied harrier has 5 fingers.

 

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andyb39

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• Nov 19, 2019

• #11

lou salomon said:

it's a juvenile male montagu's harrier. especially in males barring in outer primaries can be reduced or even lacking as in this extreme case. face pattern is all wrong for pallid and pied harrier has 5 fingers.

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Thanks Lou. I was going by the illustration of face pattern on this page, but I guess it may not be accurate. At least it accurately shows the absence of barring on the primaries that Andy referred to. The Helm Guide to Bird Identification is really good on these ringtail Harriers but I left my copy in somebody's car.

http://www.zestforbirds.co.za/ringtail.html