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Old Friday 6th December 2019, 22:18   #201
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Scientific outputs in imperial? Please share examples?
I'll see if I can find them, though I didn't keep a record of them. National Geographic was one culprit I remember.
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Old Saturday 7th December 2019, 00:23   #202
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National Geographic was one culprit I remember.
Well, sure, National Geographic is a "US site". Can't argue with that. But it's not even remotely dedicated to science in any form.
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Old Tuesday 24th December 2019, 00:20   #204
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There was an email today to HBW users, showing a sample page. Measurements were in cm and g.

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Would be interesting to know how they will include new species. There are several newly described birds (e.g. Megascops gilesi) which have no HBW description page.
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Admit I've not really been following this but that looks like access to the new resource is going to be paid only. Why would ebird etc continue to be free in those circs? I vote we build up and contribute more to things like opus, xeno canto which have a much higher likelihood of remaining free and open. Personally, I'm happy to donate to things which everyone can access but less happy about closed subscription services. A guess as to the way the Cornell wind is blowing has kept me from contributing to neotropical birds
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Old Thursday 13th February 2020, 14:53   #207
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Notice for readers: On March 31, Neotropical Birds will be integrated into the new Birds of the World, a powerful research database offering species accounts for every species on earth. Learn more at birdsoftheworld.org. While Birds of the World is a subscription service, we remain committed to offering this content to Neotropical Birds contributors and to those unable to pay for it through our scholarship program. Stay tuned.
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Hmm, so presumably those of us with subscriptions to HBW Alive will still be able to access until the sub runs out? I'm also very unclear on what is going to happen to the IBC, does it get lumped into eBird somehow or exist as a separate entity?
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Old Thursday 13th February 2020, 23:12   #209
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I wish I could say I was, but - as mentioned - it would be far from the first time that I have seen US sites take information with originally metric data, remove it, and replace with imperial stuff.
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I'll see if I can find them, though I didn't keep a record of them. National Geographic was one culprit I remember.
Not birds, but here's one from NASA:
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The colossal space rock, which is expected to pass over our planet ..., is estimated to have a diameter of around 3,250 feet
Why can't they just say 1,000 metres? That's obviously what it is - yet they don't even mention any scientific units.
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Hmm, so presumably those of us with subscriptions to HBW Alive will still be able to access until the sub runs out? I'm also very unclear on what is going to happen to the IBC, does it get lumped into eBird somehow or exist as a separate entity?

Q1: that is my expectation.
Q2: I expect closer to the latter.

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Old Friday 14th February 2020, 01:29   #211
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Hmm, so presumably those of us with subscriptions to HBW Alive will still be able to access until the sub runs out? I'm also very unclear on what is going to happen to the IBC, does it get lumped into eBird somehow or exist as a separate entity?
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Q1: that is my expectation.
Q2: I expect closer to the latter.

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Like White-headed Duck, it risks becoming extinct through introgression from invasive related species
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Old Friday 14th February 2020, 10:36   #212
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Not birds, but here's one from NASA:

Why can't they just say 1,000 metres? That's obviously what it is - yet they don't even mention any scientific units.
you're joking surely

your link is to IGN - "an American video game and entertainment media website"

hard to think of a less scientific output...

EDIT: here's the official NASA output on this object
https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/

"Estimated Diameter 440m - 990m"

put that flag-burning on hold,

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One would think the banners/adds loaded with images of Darth Vader and super heroes might possibly suggest you are not looking at a official scientific website...
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One would think the banners/adds loaded with images of Darth Vader and super heroes might possibly suggest you are not looking at a official scientific website...
You actually have these visible rather than blocked by an appropriate browser plugin?

Obviously even without ad's it should have been obvious to the OP that it wasn't a NASA site!
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Like White-headed Duck, it risks becoming extinct through introgression from invasive related species
Nicely said! I still seeing nothing beneficial out of this.
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Thanks Niels, a great shame this merger happened, I will miss using My Birding and used to enjoy contributing to IBC, I guess we have to wait and see how it goes
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You actually have these visible rather than blocked by an appropriate browser plugin?

Obviously even without ad's it should have been obvious to the OP that it wasn't a NASA site!
All blocked by my Firefox adblocker - no, it wasn't obvious that it might be anything other than a mirror (exact copy) of the NASA site itself, even if the URL wasn't NASA.
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All blocked by my Firefox adblocker - no, it wasn't obvious that it might be anything other than a mirror (exact copy) of the NASA site itself, even if the URL wasn't NASA.
Another joke hopefully. If youre unaware of the difference between official comms by scientific organisations and third hand write-ups on trashy clickbait news sites maybe you should give up on your quest for US scientists imposing imperial measures on the world.

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Another joke hopefully. If you’re unaware of the difference between official comms by scientific organisations and third hand write-ups on trashy clickbait news sites maybe you should give up on your quest for US scientists imposing imperial measures on the world.

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Thanks Niels, a great shame this merger happened, I will miss using My Birding and used to enjoy contributing to IBC, I guess we have to wait and see how it goes
In my experience IBC was rife with photos of mis-identified birds, and having photos in two places meant more work if you were looking for photos of a species. I've been reviewing thousands of eBird/MacCaulay Library photos recently, and have only found two mis-ID's so far. And it is easy to report them. Also, eBird provides more context for the photos since they are submitted with a list. And the filtering options for photos are robust and easy to use: you can filter by location, time of year, age, and sex with a few clicks. So I'm seeing a lot of upsides to this.
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After the 'Big' update when HBW was created it was pretty quiet on taxonomic front. At least this is something that should improve, with 'Birds of the world' linked to the ebird/clements taxonomy.
I'm also expecting quite a lot of the whole eco-system they are creating. ebird, merlin, macaulaylibrary, birds of the world... will all influence and improve each other. It feels like it's going to be more dynamic and alive then HBW/IBC ever was...
There's more free info to be found on https://ebird.org or https://www.macaulaylibrary.org/ then there was at IBC.
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I've been reviewing thousands of eBird/MacCaulay Library photos recently, and have only found two mis-ID's so far. And it is easy to report them. Also, eBird provides more context for the photos since they are submitted with a list.
I'm not so optimistic, although I agree that a very large percentage is correctly identified. I've found quite a few obvious mis-IDs (on various regions, including the US), and not always the IDs are corrected after you report them. Take a look at the list below, the Purple Heron photo shows a Grey Heron. I've reported this case perhaps 6 times already (since the list was posted), but nothing ever happened.
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I'm not so optimistic, although I agree that a very large percentage is correctly identified. I've found quite a few obvious mis-IDs (on various regions, including the US), and not always the IDs are corrected after you report them. Take a look at the list below, the Purple Heron photo shows a Grey Heron. I've reported this case perhaps 6 times already (since the list was posted), but nothing ever happened.
https://ebird.org/checklist/S54237191
They probably didn't believe you, because you said it was a Grey Heron - they'd only accept the correction if you'd said "Gray Heron" as also wrongly cited (after all, the site is in Europe, not USA) in that list
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In my experience IBC was rife with photos of mis-identified birds, and having photos in two places meant more work if you were looking for photos of a species. I've been reviewing thousands of eBird/MacCaulay Library photos recently, and have only found two mis-ID's so far. And it is easy to report them. Also, eBird provides more context for the photos since they are submitted with a list. And the filtering options for photos are robust and easy to use: you can filter by location, time of year, age, and sex with a few clicks. So I'm seeing a lot of upsides to this.
In my experience I find mis-IDd photos in eBird/Macaulay with quite some frequency these days, though they are indeed easy to flag.
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In my experience I find mis-ID’d photos in eBird/Macaulay with quite some frequency these days, though they are indeed easy to flag.
Indeed, I'm in the midst of trying to understand why Stevenson and Fanshawe describe and illustrate Orange Weaver Ploceus aurantius as having a pinkish bill with grey eyes and yet there are multiple images such as this one on ebird......

https://ebird.org/species/orawea1

and this one from HBW........

https://www.hbw.com/ibc/photo/orange...-nest-material

I expect them to look more like this but even this bird is lacking the dark, loral area?

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/150237337547871714/

If anyone can explain what's happening here I'd be very grateful.
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