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3 birds / Huelva, SW Spain (1 Viewer)
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Deb Burhinus
Used to be well known! 😎
I concur with Zitting Cisticola (its not a clear pic though) - my first thoughts were also Willow Warbler but coming back to it, Iberian Chiff is very possible. The ‘Marsh’ is a rather a Greenshank!
just seen Alex’s post - no I wasnt sure lol
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Alexander Stöhr
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Are you sure with the wader? It looks more like a Greenshank to me.
The first seems a pitfall-picture to me. So I ask for more pictures, but it doesnt look like a Zitting cisticola to me.
The second bird might be a Willow warbler, but it might also be an Iberean Chiffchaff or even a brightly coloured Chichaff, the legs appear so blackish on my screen
The first seems a pitfall-picture to me. So I ask for more pictures, but it doesnt look like a Zitting cisticola to me.
The second bird might be a Willow warbler, but it might also be an Iberean Chiffchaff or even a brightly coloured Chichaff, the legs appear so blackish on my screen
Agree wader is Greenshank. Bill not fine enough for MS. Also don't think 1 is a Zitting Cisticola, but such a poor image wouldn't like to call it!
Alexander Stöhr
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First picture: i think the streaks on the head should be seen in this picture, I think the slightly downcurved bill is a pitfall/single-picture artefact.
But my feeling is a Common whitethroat (or a Subalpine Warbler, it looks so tiny, chiffchaff like). So I wold ask for more pictures and hope to learn from more experienced birders
But my feeling is a Common whitethroat (or a Subalpine Warbler, it looks so tiny, chiffchaff like). So I wold ask for more pictures and hope to learn from more experienced birders
Jose605
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Thank you all for the feedback!
Some new pictures.
Unfortunately I could not photograph the first bird well enough. But I it may be indeed a Zitting Cisticola. There were others in the area.
Looking forward your thoughts.
Thanks,
Jose
Some new pictures.
Unfortunately I could not photograph the first bird well enough. But I it may be indeed a Zitting Cisticola. There were others in the area.
Looking forward your thoughts.
Thanks,
Jose
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Gladiator96
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Zitting cisticola
Willow warbler
Greenshank
Willow warbler
Greenshank
Deb Burhinus
Used to be well known! 😎
I still think image one is a zit - structure and plumage tones fit and perching momentarily on top of bushes during active flight sequences in my experience, seems quite typical
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=z...AUIFigB&biw=1024&bih=661#imgrc=ijUYHctQ6OuwkM
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=z...AUIFigB&biw=1024&bih=661#imgrc=ijUYHctQ6OuwkM
Alexander Stöhr
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Wow, I must admit I was sure the first isnt a Zitting Cisticola. But on the new pictures, I can see a striped cap, looking right for this species. Why isnt it there on the first picture?
I remember Zitting Cisticola observations far away with dizzy air, but they looked always(?) capped to me. This bird seemed to me with a uniform head, whitish eyering, paler loral area and whitish throat, but the new pictures look different.
And I thought the picture in the first post proves the tail isnt white tipped, but in the new posts I think I can see the right tail pattern.
I cant remember a Zitting Cisticola with so abreaded tail-feathers that the white on the tail has vanished.
Conclusion: always be catiuos, when you detect a pitfall-picture.
So thanks Deb Burhinus and Waxwings!
Or is it just a new set of pitfall pictures?
With the new picture, the warbler seems indeed like a Willow Warbler to me,the legs dark but not black, dark legs with a brown-reddish tinge ok for Willow, as the bill (size, large pale basal part and jizz looks good and wrong for Chiffchaff).
But I would like to learn from others with more experience with Iberean Chiffchaff.
I dont think, the second is a pitfal picture, but the angle wasnt IDfriendly in the first picture.
I remember Zitting Cisticola observations far away with dizzy air, but they looked always(?) capped to me. This bird seemed to me with a uniform head, whitish eyering, paler loral area and whitish throat, but the new pictures look different.
And I thought the picture in the first post proves the tail isnt white tipped, but in the new posts I think I can see the right tail pattern.
I cant remember a Zitting Cisticola with so abreaded tail-feathers that the white on the tail has vanished.
Conclusion: always be catiuos, when you detect a pitfall-picture.
So thanks Deb Burhinus and Waxwings!
Or is it just a new set of pitfall pictures?
With the new picture, the warbler seems indeed like a Willow Warbler to me,the legs dark but not black, dark legs with a brown-reddish tinge ok for Willow, as the bill (size, large pale basal part and jizz looks good and wrong for Chiffchaff).
But I would like to learn from others with more experience with Iberean Chiffchaff.
I dont think, the second is a pitfal picture, but the angle wasnt IDfriendly in the first picture.
Alexander Stöhr
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While the first picture of the Willow-Chiffchaff seems to have all dark ear coverts with just a small pale area (so within varation for Willow, but a little bit better for Chiffchaff), the second picture gives a more Willow warbler like head pattern.
I must admit, when I see a warbler with blackish (not dark) legs, and clear green/yellow tones, I am strongly biased towards Chiffchaff.
Because when I see a Willow warbler with blackish legs, it is a grey/brown bird. Two examples here:
https://club300.de/photo/fitis_864711.jpg (Angermünde/NE-Germany - April 2015)
Or the attached bird (Gunzenhausen-Wald/S-Germany, 09.04.2012)
I must admit, when I see a warbler with blackish (not dark) legs, and clear green/yellow tones, I am strongly biased towards Chiffchaff.
Because when I see a Willow warbler with blackish legs, it is a grey/brown bird. Two examples here:
https://club300.de/photo/fitis_864711.jpg (Angermünde/NE-Germany - April 2015)
Or the attached bird (Gunzenhausen-Wald/S-Germany, 09.04.2012)
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rollingthunder
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ZitWillowShank for me:t:
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