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3 birds / Huelva, SW Spain

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 17:43   #1
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3 birds / Huelva, SW Spain

Hello,

2 warblers and a wader. The wader I believe is Green Sandpiper?

Thank you for your feedback!

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 18:12   #2
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1. Zitting cisticola
2. Looks like a Willow warbler to me but others on here have more expertise with Phylloscopus.
3. Marsh sandpiper
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 18:18   #3
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Thanks a lot Waxwings! I'll wait for any further feedback on the warbler.

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 18:39   #4
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1. Zitting cisticola
2. Looks like a Willow warbler to me but others on here have more expertise with Phylloscopus.
3. Marsh sandpiper
I concur with Zitting Cisticola (its not a clear pic though) - my first thoughts were also Willow Warbler but coming back to it, Iberian Chiff is very possible. The ‘Marsh’ is a rather a Greenshank!


just seen Alex’s post - no I wasnt sure lol
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 18:55   #5
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Are you sure with the wader? It looks more like a Greenshank to me.
The first seems a pitfall-picture to me. So I ask for more pictures, but it doesnt look like a Zitting cisticola to me.
The second bird might be a Willow warbler, but it might also be an Iberean Chiffchaff or even a brightly coloured Chichaff, the legs appear so blackish on my screen
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:06   #6
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Are you sure with the wader? It looks more like a Greenshank to me.
The first seems a pitfall-picture to me. So I ask for more pictures, but it doesnt look like a Zitting cisticola to me.
The second bird might be a Willow warbler, but it might also be an Iberean Chiffchaff or even a brightly coloured Chichaff, the legs appear so blackish on my screen
Agree wader is Greenshank. Bill not fine enough for MS. Also don't think 1 is a Zitting Cisticola, but such a poor image wouldn't like to call it!
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:14   #7
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First picture: i think the streaks on the head should be seen in this picture, I think the slightly downcurved bill is a pitfall/single-picture artefact.
But my feeling is a Common whitethroat (or a Subalpine Warbler, it looks so tiny, chiffchaff like). So I wold ask for more pictures and hope to learn from more experienced birders
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:18   #8
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Thank you all for the feedback!

Some new pictures.

Unfortunately I could not photograph the first bird well enough. But I it may be indeed a Zitting Cisticola. There were others in the area.

Looking forward your thoughts.

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:27   #9
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Zitting cisticola
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:29   #10
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I still think image one is a zit - structure and plumage tones fit and perching momentarily on top of bushes during active flight sequences in my experience, seems quite typical

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 19:48   #11
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Wow, I must admit I was sure the first isnt a Zitting Cisticola. But on the new pictures, I can see a striped cap, looking right for this species. Why isnt it there on the first picture?
I remember Zitting Cisticola observations far away with dizzy air, but they looked always(?) capped to me. This bird seemed to me with a uniform head, whitish eyering, paler loral area and whitish throat, but the new pictures look different.
And I thought the picture in the first post proves the tail isnt white tipped, but in the new posts I think I can see the right tail pattern.
I cant remember a Zitting Cisticola with so abreaded tail-feathers that the white on the tail has vanished.
Conclusion: always be catiuos, when you detect a pitfall-picture.
So thanks Deb Burhinus and Waxwings!

Or is it just a new set of pitfall pictures?

With the new picture, the warbler seems indeed like a Willow Warbler to me,the legs dark but not black, dark legs with a brown-reddish tinge ok for Willow, as the bill (size, large pale basal part and jizz looks good and wrong for Chiffchaff).
But I would like to learn from others with more experience with Iberean Chiffchaff.
I dont think, the second is a pitfal picture, but the angle wasnt IDfriendly in the first picture.
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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 20:20   #12
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Thanks again for your help! First bird wasn't easy to ID for sure.

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Old Friday 18th October 2019, 20:29   #13
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While the first picture of the Willow-Chiffchaff seems to have all dark ear coverts with just a small pale area (so within varation for Willow, but a little bit better for Chiffchaff), the second picture gives a more Willow warbler like head pattern.
I must admit, when I see a warbler with blackish (not dark) legs, and clear green/yellow tones, I am strongly biased towards Chiffchaff.
Because when I see a Willow warbler with blackish legs, it is a grey/brown bird. Two examples here:
https://club300.de/photo/fitis_864711.jpg (Angermünde/NE-Germany - April 2015)
Or the attached bird (Gunzenhausen-Wald/S-Germany, 09.04.2012)
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Old Saturday 19th October 2019, 06:48   #14
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ZitWillowShank for me

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Old Saturday 19th October 2019, 13:32   #15
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