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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 16:30   #1
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False Widow?

Not generally one for over reacting to stuff like this but not knowing much more about the species than the sensationalist stuff that appear in the press, I'm not exactly delighted in finding this on our living room carpet just feet from out baby.

Can someone confirm the ID please?
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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 16:35   #2
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Spiders are not my thing, I know very little about their ID. But yours looks like a species of Lycosidae rather than a False Widow to me. This one is quite robust, with a different shaped abdomen, stronger legs etc.
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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 16:41   #3
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Perhaps an Amaurobius species? http://www.nhm.ac.uk/content/dam/nhm...e-id-guide.pdf
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Thanks Rafael, I agree but there are several images that appear in a Google search that show this image as being a False Widow and I wondered if it was a gender difference? Hoping it's not one at this point, my wife is way less than happy that it might be!

http://i58.tinypic.com/30ib6vd.jpg

http://www.sickchirpse.com/soldier-w...er-biting-leg/
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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 17:46   #5
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I think it's more likely those (and other) images represent misidentifications. If birds are frequently mis-IDid on internet photos, I guess that'll happen much more frequently with spiders.
But wait for some more knowledgeable person to reply. Or try the NHM email on the leaflet linked above:
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http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/comm...-forum/spiders
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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 18:00   #6
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Looks like some kind of lace web, but I've never seen one indoors, so could be wrong. There are a few similar looking.

Amaurobius species is common in Leicester, apparently.
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Old Friday 26th April 2019, 19:23   #7
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I think it's more likely those (and other) images represent misidentifications. If birds are frequently mis-IDid on internet photos, I guess that'll happen much more frequently with spiders.
But wait for some more knowledgeable person to reply. Or try the NHM email on the leaflet linked above:
I agree.
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Old Saturday 27th April 2019, 07:23   #8
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Here's another link which identifies my spider as False Widow but it also shows Lace Web which is pretty similar and I reckon Harry is right?

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/house-h...11364003665066
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Here's another link which identifies my spider as False Widow but it also shows Lace Web which is pretty similar and I reckon Harry is right?

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/house-h...11364003665066
To my eye, both Lace Web and Noble False Widow are illustrated there by the same species (they're not only similar, they're the same IMO...). Note Amaurobius sp. is Lace Web (see post #3). Check the photos in the Wikipedia link: abdomen is globular not elongated, and much shinier; in the NHM leaflet you can also see the cephalothorax has a different shape.
So, unfortunately another error there IMO. Honestly I'd try the NHM email posted above, which no doubt will deliver an unambiguous and knowledgeable answer which is what you're looking for.
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To my eye, both Lace Web and Noble False Widow are illustrated there by the same species (they're not only similar, they're the same IMO...). Note Amaurobius sp. is Lace Web (see post #3). Check the photos in the Wikipedia link: abdomen is globular not elongated, and much shinier; in the NHM leaflet you can also see the cephalothorax has a different shape.
So, unfortunately another error there IMO. Honestly I'd try the NHM email posted above, which no doubt will deliver an unambiguous and knowledgeable answer which is what you're looking for.
That's what I thought too Rafael.

Unfortunately, the NHM link returns a 404 error.
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Unfortunately, the NHM link returns a 404 error.
That's quite unfortunate. Sorry about that
I'd try the email still, though.
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Old Saturday 27th April 2019, 12:08   #12
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To confirm, the photo in the original post is of an Amaurobius species, probably similis though I don't know where the photo was taken.

The NHM forum closed down several months ago. I contributed regularly on there and was sad when it went.
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To confirm, the photo in the original post is of an Amaurobius species, probably similis though I don't know where the photo was taken.

The NHM forum closed down several months ago. I contributed regularly on there and was sad when it went.
Sorry, should have been clear, it's in Nottingham.

I was confused by the wrong labelling of spiders on Google which should come as no real surprise to anyone. I simply wanted to be certain due to the potential for it being a False Widow in a home with a small baby.

Thanks all, though I would like to see a False Widow, I'd prefer that it wasn't in our home!
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Old Sunday 16th June 2019, 18:51   #14
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How about this one! Southampton area
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Old Sunday 16th June 2019, 19:38   #15
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Sure looks like Noble False Widow to me, Steotoda nobilis
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How about this one! Southampton area
I seem to remember Southampton area as one of the places they're found, from articles in the Daily Echo. (not that this is a guarantee of accuracy!

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Old Monday 17th June 2019, 08:26   #17
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Here's the current distribution un the UK http://srs.britishspiders.org.uk/por...eatoda+nobilis
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Old Monday 17th June 2019, 13:08   #18
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When we moved house in 2014 over 30 False Widows were found under various bit's of furniture etc. Thankfully not one hitched a ride to the new house.
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