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Old Tuesday 6th April 2010, 17:18   #1
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Zeiss Dialyt 7x42

I saw a pair of these today secondhand in a (traditionally expensive) optics store in Dublin. I had a look, just out of interest. Optically perfect, well-collimated. They seemed to have a bit of play in the focus-wheel. Asking price 700 euro. Is this particularly expensive?
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Old Tuesday 6th April 2010, 17:39   #2
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Sancho, There's a Zeiss 7x42T* (not P) on UK eBay currently with a start price of 300 and a probable BIN price around 520, with a couple of days to go...
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Old Tuesday 6th April 2010, 17:42   #3
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I saw a pair of these today secondhand in a (traditionally expensive) optics store in Dublin. I had a look, just out of interest. Optically perfect, well-collimated. They seemed to have a bit of play in the focus-wheel. Asking price 700 euro. Is this particularly expensive?
Well overpriced. A lot better bins on the market these days.

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Thanks, John and Bubbs. Just as I thought. I made the mistake of looking through them. Beautiful. But I didnt have anything to hand to compare, and it was on a busy street, not the best environment for testing binos.
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Old Tuesday 6th April 2010, 20:01   #5
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Thanks, John and Bubbs. Just as I thought. I made the mistake of looking through them. Beautiful. But I didnt have anything to hand to compare, and it was on a busy street, not the best environment for testing binos.
Sancho, you just can't leave well alone can you?
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Sancho, Just noticed Ace Optics in Bath have two Zeiss 7x42 BGA for sale, one a T* for 649 and the other a T*P* for 749, so these prices 'straddle' the one in Dublin...
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Sancho, you just can't leave well alone can you?
Well, Martin, they were just sat there in the glass case (Id gone in looking for a tripod-plate screw). They almost had a little tag on saying "Try Me", like the bottle in Alice in Wonderland. So I just had to.


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Sancho, Just noticed Ace Optics in Bath have two Zeiss 7x42 BGA for sale, one a T* for 649 and the other a T*P* for 749, so these prices 'straddle' the one in Dublin...

Wow, James. Either Dublins getting cheaper (which I doubt), or.....
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Old Tuesday 6th April 2010, 21:15   #8
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These bins are ancient and the new boys on the block beat them hands down. I wonder what the close focussing of the Zeiss is....answers here please.

Save your money and stop living in the past!

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LOL! Dont worry, John. Ive no intention of buying them. I just dream of walking into an antique shop one day and seeing the Genies Lamp of the Optics World sat on a shelf, gathering dust.
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Close focus is about 5mtrs, unfortunately...
The pair I have sitting next to me has still wonderful smooth focus, 150 mtrs FOV and ergonomics which a lot of the modern boys and girls can take an example upon.

IF they had a good close focus, they would still be high on my list for sure ( I am baby-sitting this pair untill the owner gets back from a long vacation)
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These bins are ancient and the new boys on the block beat them hands down. I wonder what the close focussing of the Zeiss is....answers here please.

Save your money and stop living in the past!

John
I don't know about that. I have tried the latest 8x42 FLs and they are fine binoculars, I prefer my 8x42 Ultravids, but that is just a matter of taste thing. Point is that for me the new FLs were bright, and definitely alpha optics, but they didn't blow me away. A year ago I was at a wildlife refuge when a small group of bird watchers came up to this viewing platform. One lady had a 7x42 Zeiss Classic, I asked if I could look through it. That bin did blow me away with it's combination of qualities. I think it is similar to those guys who just love the Trinovid BAs and BNs, though not as bright as the latest, and maybe inferior in some other optical ways, it just seems perfect when you look through it.

I really, really don't need one, but if I found a good one at an affordable price, I would have a hard time resisting it.

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Although Zeiss 7x42 Dialyt is a bit long in the tooth now, and my Hensoldt 7x42 Dialyt is even more 'venerable' ("worthy of reverence on account of old age and good character") there are still many of us who appreciate these 'ClassiC' binoculars for their superb build quality, instilling a pride of ownership which 'new kids on the block' scarcely comprehend.
These 'ancient' binoculars may not have ED glass, dielectric coatings, phase correction, or indeed close focus, but they're still surprisingly capable despite being 'unfashionable'. I suppose it's a bit like comparing an E-type Jaguar with a modern Mitsubishi Evo, which out-drags, out-corners and out-brakes the Jag with ease, but nothing else looks or feels like an E-type: if you want one, there is simply no substitute, and it still 'goes like stink'.
Why do Dialyts/ClassiCs/BGATs continue to hold their prices? Because there's simply no substitute for the real thing...
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The close focus on mine is 12 feet. The last pair of bins I'll ever need. Kinda reminds me of the old joke about the young bull and the old bull up on a hill, looking down on a herd of cows....
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Hello Sancho,

I wrote the following on another thread:

Yes, I still use the 7x42 Dialyt T*p*. I have not tried the FL. However, the Dialyt does everything right: wide FOV, whose edges are not too soft; good suppression of chromatic aberration, possibly because of the long focal length; great brilliance and contrast. Its major drawback is the shortest focussing distance. It even provides a hint of stereopsis.


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I saw a pair of these today secondhand in a (traditionally expensive) optics store in Dublin. I had a look, just out of interest. Optically perfect, well-collimated. They seemed to have a bit of play in the focus-wheel. Asking price 700 euro. Is this particularly expensive?
Hi Sancho,

The last pair of these to sell on eBay was an almost pristine looking pair (darn near looked brand new) with both T and P coatings and sold for $920.00. I've seen another pair sell for over $1000 within the last year, so I'm not so sure that 700 Euros is completely out of line. Considering that they have the lifetime transferrable warranty, I'm not so sure there is anything you can go out and buy today at that price that will truly outperform them. YMMV.

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Hello Sancho,

I wrote the following on another thread:

Yes, I still use the 7x42 Dialyt T*p*. I have not tried the FL. However, the Dialyt does everything right: wide FOV, whose edges are not too soft; good suppression of chromatic aberration, possibly because of the long focal length; great brilliance and contrast. Its major drawback is the shortest focussing distance. It even provides a hint of stereopsis.


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Hi Arthur,

Absolutely right. The more I use my 7x42 T*P the more I enjoy it. If it were all I had it would be enough. It's a keeper. (Of course, since I have more it isn't enough, if you know what I mean.) Anyway, the eye relief is outstanding, and given that there is so much over-travel past infinity I suspect that the near focus could be adjusted to a shorter distance.

Sancho, ... you might regret passing this up.

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I saw a pair of these today secondhand in a (traditionally expensive) optics store in Dublin. I had a look, just out of interest. Optically perfect, well-collimated. They seemed to have a bit of play in the focus-wheel. Asking price 700 euro. Is this particularly expensive?
The asking price for these were reduced to 600 and didn't sell as far as I know, may be worth dropping him a pm.

I've been using this model for 25 years or more and paid 444 for them back then but I'm not sure I would buy such a dated model today.
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Hi Sancho,

I've the FL 8 x 32 and a pair of 7x42 T*P - I enjoy both though the 7s are really my house binos for stuff out of the kitchen. I wouldn't dream of parting with the Classics regardless of their value, nor any shortfalls in comparisson to the modern FLs. Paid 200 for them a few years ago. Amazing that the very last of the Classics with T*P* coatings fetch more now than when they were last on general sale for 699 from Ace Optics!
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Sancho, Just noticed Ace Optics in Bath have two Zeiss 7x42 BGA for sale, one a T* for 649 and the other a T*P* for 749, so these prices 'straddle' the one in Dublin...
750 for the T*P* , and thats a "west germany" model, not the latest.
Its still a wonderful binocular though and will still be around when some of todays top models are long forgotten.

I have the "made in germany" model, which gets used, and one in the box unused, it was one of the very last run and bought brand new for 580 i think, from warehouse express.
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These bins are ancient and the new boys on the block beat them hands down. I wonder what the close focussing of the Zeiss is....answers here please.

Save your money and stop living in the past!

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Close Focus 3.5m.

Transmission (over 91%)? Above some of today's offerings....but you did not want to know that, as they are in the past!!!!

When delisted the full RRP inc vat @ 17.5% was 769.00
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Thanks for the input, folks. There definitely was something special about these, although Id like to see them in the field. But I think Ill pass, because a) Ive no excuse to buy new binoculars, and b) they look well-worn - a lot of paint worn off around the hinges/bridge, and the play in the focus-wheel was disconcerting. Lovely to hold, though. And although I treated myself to SVs, in recent months Ive had occasion to look through FLs (which Ive never owned) in 8x32, 8x42 and 10x56 formats, and I think they really are something special.
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Ive no excuse to buy new binoculars, I think they really are something special.
Sancho,

Are you going through a cure for your binomania?

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And although I treated myself to SVs, in recent months Ive had occasion to look through FLs (which Ive never owned) in 8x32, 8x42 and 10x56 formats, and I think they really are something special.
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If your SVs eventually end up being left unused and unloved, please consider me as a potential and experienced adoptive parent.

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I think it is similar to those guys who just love the Trinovid BAs and BNs, though not as bright as the latest, and maybe inferior in some other optical ways, it just seems perfect when you look through it.
Probably a good analogy, though the gap between modern and Trinovids is much narrower than Zeiss classics and current.

There are abstract reasons why they aren't as worthy, but to some (many?) they just hit on all cylinders.
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If your SVs eventually end up being left unused and unloved, please consider me as a potential and experienced adoptive parent.

Best regards,

Ilkka & 8x30EII
LOL! To be honest, looking through a friends Zeiss FL 8x42 recently, I thought, for all kinds of imprecise and unquantifiable reasons, "I like these as much as the SVs".
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