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Old Sunday 3rd June 2018, 16:06   #1
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More Yucatan flycatchers

Both tropical Kingbirds? As usual: April 2015. First photo from Uxmal, second from Temozon near Ek Balam
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Old Sunday 3rd June 2018, 22:50   #2
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Any ideas :) ?
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Old Sunday 3rd June 2018, 23:20   #3
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They are both Myiarchus flycatchers, not kingbirds. (I'm not near my Mexican guide so I can't be any more specific.)
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Old Monday 4th June 2018, 01:02   #4
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I'd say the first is a Brown-crested Flycatcher from the "large headed" look, no flesh color on lower mandible (like the Great crested would have), the darker crown compared to the face, and a lighter yellowish belly.

The second bird reminds me more of a Gray Kingbird. While uncommon in this area, it is a spring and fall migrant in bordering Quintana Roo, so not out of the question.
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Old Monday 4th June 2018, 10:47   #5
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If the second bird is a kingbird, why couldn't it be Tropical Kingbird?
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Old Monday 4th June 2018, 11:18   #6
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If the second bird is a kingbird, why couldn't it be Tropical Kingbird?
The yellow on the underparts is always much brighter on Tropical Kingbird. Any more pics of either of them?
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I found 2 more photos of the query flycatcher, and they are attached. No more pics of the of the query kingbird I'm afraid, but I have brightened up the original photo and it does seem really quite yellow. Could it just be the lighting that made it look pale?
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compare https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sh...p?photo=553280 and https://www.birdforum.net/gallery/sh...p?photo=553711

I think the yellow would go up higher towards the throat if a Tropical Kingbird. It looks more like a weird angle on a Myiarchus for me.

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Old Monday 4th June 2018, 14:47   #9
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Went and dug out my book I bought while in Yucatan, 'Common Birds of the Yucatan Peninsula' by Neumann & Rodriguez.

The tyrant flycatchers listed in the book are:

- Least Flycatcher
- Vermillion Flycatcher
- Yucatan Flycatcher
- Great Kisakdee
- Boat-billed Flycatcher
- Social Flycatcher
- Tropical Kingbird
- Rose-Throated Becard
- Masked Tityra

Think we can rule most of those out quite easily! Which to my mind leaves Yucatan Flycatcher and Tropical Kingbird as the only likely birds?
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Having said that, the extent of the yellow on the second bird looks good for Brown-Crested Fly, so maybe both are Brown-Crested Fly? Tyrant Flycatchers are very confusing!
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Your list has only one of the four Myiarchus species (YuFl), and in my experience the one least often seen. If you go back, do yourself the favor of getting a better book.

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Your list has only one of the four Myiarchus species (YuFl), and in my experience the one least often seen. If you go back, do yourself the favor of getting a better book.

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Blimey, have to agree with Niels. That list is worse than useless!
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I did buy it in a gift shop at Celestun, so it's perhaps not surprising it's kinda bad. I'll chalk the flycatchers down as Brown-Crested I think.

Thanks for the help!
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I'd double check ALL your Yucatán id's ifI were you, if you've been relying on a book that doesn't necessarily include the common option of similar looking birds.
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Oh I have been :) I wasn't really a birder back when I went there, just had a passing interest in birds, so must of the birds I took photos of were spectacular or obvious (turquoise-browed motmot, magnificent frigatebird, etc.). I already put up the yellow flycatchers on here to check (Great kiskadee and similar) and these flycatchers and the hummingbirds. I suspect there were multiple species of hummer and flycatcher amongst the photos I have, but I'm fairly resigned to the fact I'll likely never know! Hopefully I can go back some day :)
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