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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 14:58   #1
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More Moths from last night

Hi again
heres some Moths from last night, thanks beforehand for any ID's.
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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 15:30   #2
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Seen a couple of these. No.3 is Silky Wainscot I think. I caught this form and the dark streaked wismariensis form in Norfolk last week.

No.5 is Pale Mottled Willow or Mottled Rustic. I can't see the white dots around the reniform stigma but it still looks more like PMW to me.

No. 2 is a Treble-bar and my vote is for Lesser and it would be useful to hear from the experts on separating the two.

No.4 looks like Agapeta hamana but I'll bet I'm wrong again! I'll pass on No.1.
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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 15:52   #3
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OK, as noone else is having a go at the moment, how about Small Clouded Brindle for No.1. Attached is one of several I have seen recently.

Do you have marshy/wetland areas nearby? Both Silky Wainscot and SCB are associated with marshy places and I would think Silky Wainscot is very local in the Liverpool area. Perhaps I got them wrong.
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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 16:01   #4
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Can't remember if I got around to posting these or not but as they are relevant here. Two Silky Wainscots (the first is f.wismariensis) and Agapeta hamana.
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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 16:14   #5
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Seen a couple of these. No.3 is Silky Wainscot I think. I caught this form and the dark streaked wismariensis form in Norfolk last week.

No.5 is Pale Mottled Willow or Mottled Rustic. I can't see the white dots around the reniform stigma but it still looks more like PMW to me.

No. 2 is a Treble-bar and my vote is for Lesser and it would be useful to hear from the experts on separating the two.

No.4 looks like Agapeta hamana but I'll bet I'm wrong again! I'll pass on No.1.
Hi Brian,
No.1. Possibly Dark Arches, but very far from sure, size is a problem as well.

No.2. It's a Treble-bar, the apical streak is spurred in this species but not in the Lesser Treble-bar, also the basal crossband is rounded where it changes direction near the leading edge. In the Lesser TB it is sharply angled.

No. 3. I agree Your Silky Wainscot, it appears to be a good catch for John D's area.

No.4. Not at all sure on your ID but have no alternative (as yet).

No.5. I'm still working on.

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Old Wednesday 9th June 2004, 16:45   #6
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Hi again
heres some Moths from last night, thanks beforehand for any ID's.
JOHN D
Not going to confirm much, but I tend to agree with Harry and Brian.

Here's my call on them
#1 Small Clouded Brindle
#2 Treble-bar
#3 Silky Wainscot
#4 Agapeta hamana, I think its likely, but haven't looked up to see if there are confusion species. Generally they have more markings
#5 From thumbnail, I thought Mottled Rustic, but up close I'd go for Pale Mottles Willow.

I don't think I'm 100% on any of them, as I've never seen Silky Wainscot.
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Hi all
thanks for all the ID's,the four ID's Angus (and others)has suggested seem spot on, 1- Small Clouded Brindle,2- Treble Bar, 3-Silky Wainscot and 4-Agapeta Hamana. I have attached another photo of the 5th Moth.
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Hi all
thanks for all the ID's,the four ID's Angus (and others)has suggested seem spot on, 1- Small Clouded Brindle,2- Treble Bar, 3-Silky Wainscot and 4-Agapeta Hamana. I have attached another photo of the 5th Moth.
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Mottled Rustic is a regular in my trap, and I confident that this is not one. I'll stick with Pale Mottled Willow, but its one I'm not really familiar with.
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thanks for all the ID's,the four ID's Angus (and others)has suggested seem spot on, 1- Small Clouded Brindle,2- Treble Bar, 3-Silky Wainscot and 4-Agapeta Hamana. I have attached another photo of the 5th Moth.
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Pale Mottled Willow - the four dots along the costa are diagnostic.
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