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Old Thursday 6th December 2018, 22:16   #1
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reed warbler or ...

I had this bird couple of years ago - identified by me as a reed warbler ..... but I'm wonderinglike about a small primary projection, clearly "light" top, and lack of lore ?
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Old Thursday 6th December 2018, 23:17   #2
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Looks like a Blyth’s Reed Warbler to me Michal.

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Old Friday 7th December 2018, 12:04   #3
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I would never claim to know enough to ID a Blyth's but that is a seriously short, stubby bill for a Eurasian reed warbler. That's pro-Blyth's right?

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Old Friday 7th December 2018, 12:37   #4
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I'm seeing a lot of pro marsh warbler features here.

Short stubby bill,
rounded head
yellowish legs and feet
well marked tertials
general pale sandy tones

I know the PP looks short, but I wonder if this could be something postural. I'd hope to see a much better supercilium on a BRW
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It looks simply too reddish for anything but a Reed warbler to me.
In any case blyth’s is not an option solely based on tertials pattern.
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Old Friday 7th December 2018, 13:16   #6
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It looks simply too reddish for anything but a Reed warbler to me.
A quick look at the green stems shows a reddish cast to many of the edges - not as extreme a case of colour alteration as has been seen on here, but perhaps the real thing was not so reddish ... ?
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Old Friday 7th December 2018, 15:08   #7
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As Michal suggested, the pp is extremely short for RW, and the emarginations fall in line with the tertials, the bill looks heavier because it’s partly open with prey items....

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pp is not too short for reed warbler. but definitely too short for marsh.
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I can't see any emarginations!

I can buy this being a reed warbler for sure, but I don't think its a Blyth's.
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pp is not too short for reed warbler. but definitely too short for marsh.
Agreed, the pp looks to be 2/3 of tertials, that’s the overlap with BRW. Emarginations which I can see on blow up, appear to be at the extreme end of the tertials, which would favour RW over BRW.

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thank you very very much for all the discussion and solving the puzzle :) I should add that the bird was from Poland, where feeding Blyth's it would be an incredible rarity :)
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Doesn't the pale eye suggest paddyfield warbler? That would also suit the contrasting tertials and ,to my eyes, short primary projection. I presume range would go against this though. Happy to learn otherwise as I have always found these species very difficult.
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Eye stripe doesn't look prominent, dark or long enough for a Paddyfield IMO.
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