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Kowa BDII-XD - september 2019

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Old Friday 12th July 2019, 20:06   #1
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Kowa BDII-XD - september 2019

FYI, from Kowa Optics on twitter:

"The new #wideangle #Kowa BDII-XD #binoculars arrive September 2019 - a new binocular for all, affordable without compromise - designed with optical features normally associated with far greater price tags including enviable wide angle performance. Try them @TheBirdfair #birdfair"

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Old Saturday 13th July 2019, 00:19   #2
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I hope the IPD on these will adjust a little tighter than the old BD.
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Old Sunday 14th July 2019, 23:20   #3
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Binomania has loaded some initial photos - but as yet no spec's: https://www.binomania.it/presto-in-v...-kowa-bdii-xd/
see the attached image - a lighter green and more sculpted covering

As yet there is no info on Kowa's own website: https://www.kowaproducts.com


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Old Monday 15th July 2019, 07:19   #4
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FYI, from Kowa Optics on twitter:

"The new #wideangle #Kowa BDII-XD #binoculars arrive September 2019 - a new binocular for all, affordable without compromise - designed with optical features normally associated with far greater price tags including enviable wide angle performance. Try them @TheBirdfair #birdfair"
Thanks for the heads up.

Hope they do a better job this time. For the original BD XD launch, a cardboard box arrived at the show with a couple of binoculars and no supporting literature. After scratching their heads for a while, the team passed them to interested punters. I can only assume were incomplete display only items. They had some of the worst CA I've ever seen. Another year, four besuited Japanese gentlemen spent a whole day guarding blue and gold anodised knobbly pieces of engineered alloy and glass in a display cabinet. None of the English speaking team had a clue what they were. Found out later they were micro 4/3 camera lenses.

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Old Tuesday 16th July 2019, 09:03   #5
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Kowa is not releasing any more details yet but will be publishing more on social media step by step over the coming weeks.

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Old Tuesday 16th July 2019, 14:50   #6
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Looks like the 10x32 pictured has a fov of 6.7 degrees.
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Old Thursday 18th July 2019, 07:31   #7
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Looks like the 10x32 pictured has a fov of 6.7 degrees.
Nice catch.
That's just under the FoV of the Zeiss 10x32 FL, so in the competitive ballpark.
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Old Thursday 18th July 2019, 18:26   #8
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Interesting, the models will be 6.5x32, 8x32 and 10x32
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Old Thursday 18th July 2019, 20:08   #9
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Kowa Facebook page shows 3 video clips the 8x42 is 8.2 degrees did not see fov of the 6.5.

Close focus is 1.3m for the 32mm models and 1.8m for the 42 s.
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Old Sunday 21st July 2019, 21:05   #10
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Kowa Facebook page shows 3 video clips the 8x42 is 8.2
Hi,

8.2 deg is not quite in Zeiss SF territory but certainly not too shabby for an 8x42. The little 6.5x will be interesting... I am still searching for a modern light and wide angle 7x... since Leica seems to have nixed the Trini 6x35 reissue, maybe this one might be it...

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Old Tuesday 23rd July 2019, 23:18   #11
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I checked this morning, and although I couldn't find any new data I was able to download a clear additional image . . .

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Old Wednesday 24th July 2019, 00:14   #12
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I'll be quite curious to see specs on the 6.5x32. I continue to think about buying a 6x or 6.5x but haven't pulled the trigger yet. The most tempting, currently, is the Maven B3 6x30. I am very curious to see how these stack up!
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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 11:54   #13
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They have now posted a brochure for download which includes a specs table:

https://www.kowaoptic.com/BDII-XD-brochure.pdf
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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 13:11   #14
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The close focus quoted in the brochure is extremely impressive: 13mm for the 32s and 18mm for the 42s.
Hmmmm.
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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 13:35   #15
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Is that from the front of the binocular or the eye end?

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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 13:41   #16
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The close focus quoted in the brochure is extremely impressive: 13mm for the 32s and 18mm for the 42s.
Hmmmm.
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Think a typo, says 1.3mm, probably meant to say 1.3m, which is still pretty good.
Possibly a super alternative to the Papilios?
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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 14:25   #17
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Hats off to Kowa for offering something different in the 6.5 x 32 model. Good luck to them for being brave in a market which has declined in available range paricularly by the Alpha brands with the higher spec ranges, eg....7 x 35, 7 x 42.
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Hats off to Kowa for offering something different in the 6.5 x 32 model. Good luck to them for being brave in a market which has declined in available range paricularly by the Alpha brands with the higher spec ranges, eg....7 x 35, 7 x 42.
Agree entirely, but do wonder who does their proof reading.
The near focus error is easily obvious to a birder. Why did it not get caught?
Seems like a focus on process, rather than on results. Not confidence inspiring.
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Old Wednesday 31st July 2019, 22:33   #19
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Agree entirely, but do wonder who does their proof reading.
The near focus error is easily obvious to a birder. Why did it not get caught?
Seems like a focus on process, rather than on results. Not confidence inspiring.
Luckily, the marketing team has nothing to do with product development. These types of errors in marketing materials--especially at initial product release--are common in most industries.

Monster FOV on some of these if the numbers are correct. I'm anxiously awaiting the IPD specs and pricing.
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For those interested in comparing and contrasting, a copy of the original BD XD spec's . . .

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75 to 80 degree AFOV would be impressive.

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Old Friday 2nd August 2019, 12:06   #22
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Hi,

the 10 deg true field of the 6.5x pair sound very nice - as do the 8.8 deg of the 8x32... now let's see how these turn out in real life... The super wide field and good eye relief in small and light instruments sounds a bit too good to be true...

But I hope very much Kowa has found some secret optical sauce to make these eyepieces with the specced data.

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Old Sunday 4th August 2019, 10:56   #23
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Think a typo, says 1.3mm, probably meant to say 1.3m, which is still pretty good.
Possibly a super alternative to the Papilios?
Indeed a typo, on the page before the spec sheet the close focus is stated in meters (underneath the flower symbol).

I haven't handled Kowa binoculars before, but just the look of the focus wheel doesn't strike me as comfortable - all those metal(?) pins. Anyone have experience with this?
But if I can find them I want to try those 6.5x32 anyway, dat FOV tho!
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I haven't handled Kowa binoculars before, but just the look of the focus wheel doesn't strike me as comfortable - all those metal(?) pins. Anyone have experience with this?
But if I can find them I want to try those 6.5x32 anyway, dat FOV tho![/quote]

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Yes it appears the same as the focus wheel on Kowa's top end Genesis series. Comfortable and very grippy.

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Old Sunday 4th August 2019, 14:00   #25
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I'll second what Mike posted. The Kowa Genesis focus wheel is very nice with or without gloves.

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