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September Moths (1 Viewer)

A few more pics - Oak Nycteoline, Lunar Underwing, L-album Wainscot (several in September), Nutmeg & Box-tree Moth (several in September).
 

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Finally a dark Common Marbled Carpet (that got a careful check of the hindwings!), Pine Carpet, Grey Pine Carpet (a tricky slightly worn/plain one), Meal Moth & Prays ruficeps.
 

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Lowest catch for ages, just 27 of 8 species, with no micros at all. Highlight was Light Emerald NFY, plus a latish Snout.

Being very urban I tend not to trap unless the forecast temperature is remaining above 11 or 12 C, so won't be doing much more this year.

Steve
 
Last night saw 123 of 14 macros, plus 1 Light Brown Apple Moth.

37 Setaceous Hebrew Character, 35 LYU, 26 Sq Spot Rustic.

Highlights were Pink-barred Sallow (nice wee beastie!) NFG , 3 Lunar Underwing and 2 Silver Y (first for September)
 
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Nice pics Paul. Do you happen to have an image of the 'clinching feature' abdomen hairs (or a link) for the Radford's?

Some good moths there ;) . Are you close to the coast/prime habitat? I assume your mates garden must be!
 
Finally a dark Common Marbled Carpet (that got a careful check of the hindwings!), Pine Carpet, Grey Pine Carpet (a tricky slightly worn/plain one), Meal Moth & Prays ruficeps.

Checking for Dark Marbled Paul?

Here's one from Russia that I've tentatively got as DMC, what do you think?
 

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Nice pics Paul. Do you happen to have an image of the 'clinching feature' abdomen hairs (or a link) for the Radford's?

Some good moths there ;) . Are you close to the coast/prime habitat? I assume your mates garden must be!

He is closer to the coast than me. I am on the edge of town next to a rhine and about 400 yards from the Bristol Channel. A link here:-

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.com/330-ochropleura-leucogaster-radfords-flame-shoulder.html

I'll try and get an image of Clancy.

All the best
 
Checking for Dark Marbled Paul?

Here's one from Russia that I've tentatively got as DMC, what do you think?

Yes. I thought that it was convincing at first but ended up on Common Marbled Carpet. I would say Common Marbled for yours too on the basis that the projection is not deep enough. I'll try and dig out my garden Dark Marbled Carpet pic. I've had two. It will be interesting to check them with hindsight.....

All the best
 
Dan

I attach a photo of the plate from Clancy which is an excellent reference and has Flame Shoulder and Radford's Flame Shoulder specimens side by side. Also two pics of our moth showing the abdomen and hairs. I kept it so someone could twitch it but sadly it expired in the fridge which was a shame as the county recorder had just confirmed that he was happy to accept on the photos.

All the best

Paul
 

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Andy

My two garden Dark Marbled Carpets were 8 August 2011 and 22 August 2018 and having revisited my photos, I remain happy with both records.

Pic one -2011 record - upperside forewing
Pic two - 2011 record - underside forewing
Pic three - 2011 record - underside hindwing
Pic four - 2018 record - upperside forewing
Pic five - underside forewing

It is all about the depth of the point on the postmedian line being less rounded and on the hindwing this is a v shape on the underside. Subtle but I remain happy.

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.com/dysstroma.html

All the best

Paul
 

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In contrast, this year's dark Common Marbled Carpet has a more rounded less pointed postmedian line and a more U shaped underside to the hindwing.

All the best

Paul
 

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Andy

My two garden Dark Marbled Carpets were 8 August 2011 and 22 August 2018 and having revisited my photos, I remain happy with both records.

Pic one -2011 record - upperside forewing
Pic two - 2011 record - underside forewing
Pic three - 2011 record - underside hindwing
Pic four - 2018 record - upperside forewing
Pic five - underside forewing

It is all about the depth of the point on the postmedian line being less rounded and on the hindwing this is a v shape on the underside. Subtle but I remain happy.

https://britishlepidoptera.weebly.com/dysstroma.html

All the best

Paul


Paul,
I thought mine looked pretty good as per waring, I thought that the angle of the rear edge of the dark, crossband, comes down from the leading edge of the wing in more of a curve in Common and in Dark, it's almost a right angle?

The depth of the 'W' in that same crossband is also deeper?
 
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Paul,
I thought mine looked pretty good as per waring, I thought that the angle of the rear edge of the dark, crossband, comes down from the leading edge of the wing in more of a curve in Common and in Dark, it's almost a right angle?

The depth of the 'W' in that same crossband is also deeper?

You could well be right Andy. I suspect the variability of Common Marbled Carpet is the challenge. I was really thrown with the underside of the hindwing on mine this year making it Common Marbled. Maybe that led me to being too negative. I'll look later & try & compare the four moths - yours against my three. It will be a useful exercise.

Stay safe.
 
19/09. First trap for a bit (did a Scaly Cricket evening on Chesil on Friday). Over 4 hours I had 14 moths of 9 species between two traps (more in actinic than MV). New for the garden were singles of Black Rustic and Beaded Chestnut. First Common Marbled Carpet for a long time. The rest the usual.
 
19/09. First trap for a bit (did a Scaly Cricket evening on Chesil on Friday). Over 4 hours I had 14 moths of 9 species between two traps (more in actinic than MV). New for the garden were singles of Black Rustic and Beaded Chestnut. First Common Marbled Carpet for a long time. The rest the usual.

Images of cricketers with eczema spring to mind!
 
132 of 25 macros, plus another 6 of 5 micros last night.

Looks like 6 Large Ranunculus, 1 Feathered Ranunculus and 1 Black-banded (Nationally Scarce A and unusual away from the coast). Also Silver Y, 2 Dark Sword Grass, Rush Veneer and 2 Diamondback Moths, as well as a nice range of the usual stuff.

Bumped into a Vestal whilst cutting Blackthorn at nearby Treverva this afternoon too.

Unless I'm mistaken -

Pic 1 left to right; Large Ranunculus, Feathered Ranunculus f, Black-banded m
Pic 2 Black-banded
Pic 3 Black-banded hindwing
Pic 4 Diamondback
Pic 5 Rush Veneer
 

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Dan

I attach a photo of the plate from Clancy which is an excellent reference and has Flame Shoulder and Radford's Flame Shoulder specimens side by side. Also two pics of our moth showing the abdomen and hairs. I kept it so someone could twitch it but sadly it expired in the fridge which was a shame as the county recorder had just confirmed that he was happy to accept on the photos.

All the best

Paul

Thanks Paul.

Do I understand that 835 is Flame Shoulder and 836 is Radford's Flame Shoulder? And we are talking about a paler (and with white hairs) on the dorsal surface of the abdomen (ie only visible by lifting the wings away) as opposed to the ventral surface (ie what you would see from looking underneath in a clear pot? Is there a difference between the two species at a glance looking at the underside of a moth in a clear pot?

Apologies for the questioning - I have seen wordy descriptions (some conflicting) in various resources for this elsewhere!

(Back in the summer when I was getting 10+ Flame Shoulders I should have analysed them better (including some long-winged individuals) to see variation in Flame Shoulder!!)

Cheers.
 
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