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Taphrospilus
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James Jobling
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There appears to be a discrepancy here; Mme Marie-Yvonne Morel née Aubrat in 2011 (#2), Mme Marie-Yvonne Morel née Aimard in 2017 (#1).
Taphrospilus
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Indeed. As well Bréville-les-Monts and Vennes are not the same directions. Therefore my #1 post may be ignored.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Today's updated Key:
Just a thought ...
More on Gérard Morel here, with a photo (end of page) of "Gérard and Marie-Yvonne Morel on the Normandy coast" (taken after his retirement in 1992).
In any case, I would assume Mme Morel was still alive in January 2016, when those pieces were published, as neither one mentioned her passing.
But ... if her maiden name is unknown (and no longer included in the Key) and her birth year unknown, ... do we know, for sure, it was "our" Mme Marie-Yvonne Morel (the wife of Gérard), and not a namesake, who died in 2017? To me, the death notice of Gérard Morel tells us nothing more than she was still alive in February 2011.
Just a thought ...
More on Gérard Morel here, with a photo (end of page) of "Gérard and Marie-Yvonne Morel on the Normandy coast" (taken after his retirement in 1992).
In any case, I would assume Mme Morel was still alive in January 2016, when those pieces were published, as neither one mentioned her passing.
Taphrospilus
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I agree (?1921-2017) should be removed from the key as there is no clear evidence that both are the same person.
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
W.A.O.S. = West African Ornithological Society / S.O.O.A.= Société d'Ornithologie de l'Ouest Africain
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Thanks to the kindness of Peter Browne, former (interim) webmaster of W.A.O.S./S.O.O.A. (West African Ornithological Society/ Société d'Ornithologie de l'Ouest Africain), I have now received a copy of the Paper in Malimbus 35 (No.2) ... though it doesn't add anything new, regarding the Life span of Marie-Yvonne Morel.
He also informed me of their New webpage; here, where the sought-after Morel paper is accessible, in full; here or here. For some odd, unknown reason (maybe due to an insufficient Code?) this more recent webpage (malimbus.org) doesn't show up among the top results when googling, neither for W.A.O.S/S.O.O.A., nor Malimbus!? If I/we´d known about it, we would have been saved this long wait. Well, well, there it is ... and apparently has been, for a while.
However; Mr Browne, as well, kindly attached the Obituary of Mr Morel [In Memoriam: Gérard Morel, 1925–2011], published in The Auk 132, pp.522-524 (in 2015), written by himself – with the added, following note: "At that time Marie-Yvonne was still alive and living in Paris. Indeed, such was the case in 2016 but I have had no contact with her since and do not know if she is still living. Nor do I know her year of birth. ..."
The search for the years of Marie-Yvonne continues!
Björn
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He also informed me of their New webpage; here, where the sought-after Morel paper is accessible, in full; here or here. For some odd, unknown reason (maybe due to an insufficient Code?) this more recent webpage (malimbus.org) doesn't show up among the top results when googling, neither for W.A.O.S/S.O.O.A., nor Malimbus!? If I/we´d known about it, we would have been saved this long wait. Well, well, there it is ... and apparently has been, for a while.
However; Mr Browne, as well, kindly attached the Obituary of Mr Morel [In Memoriam: Gérard Morel, 1925–2011], published in The Auk 132, pp.522-524 (in 2015), written by himself – with the added, following note: "At that time Marie-Yvonne was still alive and living in Paris. Indeed, such was the case in 2016 but I have had no contact with her since and do not know if she is still living. Nor do I know her year of birth. ..."
The search for the years of Marie-Yvonne continues!
Björn
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Mme Morel
Quick return ... as I had to return to this thread (and read it in full) again ...
Note that "Mme Gérard MOREL, née Marie-Yvonne AUBRAT" (i.e. the widow, in Gérard's Avis de décès, from 2011, as of post #2-3) has the same address [*] as "Morel, Dr M-Y", in Malimbus 34 (here, p.55), from March 2012, thereby her years (both?) in today's HBW Alive Key; "(?1921-2017)" does seem to originate from her namesake (the one; née Aimard), as of Martin's post #1 (retracted in #4), and onwards ...
However, still nothing found regarding the birth, and/or likely/possibly death, for "our" Marie-Yvonne Morel. This far, I wouldn't dare to claim more than "fl.2016".
For what it's worth!
Björn
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*Also the same Street address; here alt. here (but beware; it´s a large pdf, 14,4MB), published in the French Paper Quest-France, 17 February 2011.
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Quick return ... as I had to return to this thread (and read it in full) again ...
Note that "Mme Gérard MOREL, née Marie-Yvonne AUBRAT" (i.e. the widow, in Gérard's Avis de décès, from 2011, as of post #2-3) has the same address [*] as "Morel, Dr M-Y", in Malimbus 34 (here, p.55), from March 2012, thereby her years (both?) in today's HBW Alive Key; "(?1921-2017)" does seem to originate from her namesake (the one; née Aimard), as of Martin's post #1 (retracted in #4), and onwards ...
However, still nothing found regarding the birth, and/or likely/possibly death, for "our" Marie-Yvonne Morel. This far, I wouldn't dare to claim more than "fl.2016".
For what it's worth!
Björn
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*Also the same Street address; here alt. here (but beware; it´s a large pdf, 14,4MB), published in the French Paper Quest-France, 17 February 2011.
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Madame Marie-Yvonne Morel is still going strong.
This morning I received yet another e-mail from W.A.O.S./S.O.O.A., this time from their President, Jean Marc Thiollay, and he kindly informed me/us (in short): "She is still living ... ".
As it´s considered somewhat rude to ask a woman about her age I will not be the one asking her. And, I assume even more so in the case of a Frenchwoman.
Thereby; case closed (at least on my part).
Björn
This morning I received yet another e-mail from W.A.O.S./S.O.O.A., this time from their President, Jean Marc Thiollay, and he kindly informed me/us (in short): "She is still living ... ".
As it´s considered somewhat rude to ask a woman about her age I will not be the one asking her. And, I assume even more so in the case of a Frenchwoman.
Thereby; case closed (at least on my part).
Björn
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l_raty
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Marie Yvonne Antoinette AUBRAT (épouse MOREL)
b. Montreuil, Seine-Saint-Denis, Île-de-France, 10 Feb 1923; d. Garches, Hauts-de-Seine, Île-de-France, 1 Nov 2020.
Gérard Joseph Germain MOREL
b. Amiens, Somme, Hauts-de-France, 11 Jun 1925; d. Paris 5e Arrondissement, Île-de-France, 15 Feb 2011.
b. Montreuil, Seine-Saint-Denis, Île-de-France, 10 Feb 1923; d. Garches, Hauts-de-Seine, Île-de-France, 1 Nov 2020.
Gérard Joseph Germain MOREL
b. Amiens, Somme, Hauts-de-France, 11 Jun 1925; d. Paris 5e Arrondissement, Île-de-France, 15 Feb 2011.
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