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BLACK-EARED WHEATEAR in Cornwall - Breaking news from RBA (5.36pm 2 Oct)

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Old Wednesday 2nd October 2013, 17:45   #1
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RBA Icon BLACK-EARED WHEATEAR in Cornwall - Breaking news from RBA (5.36pm 2 Oct)

Breaking news from Rare Bird Alert: Black-eared Wheatear in Cornwall.

BBRC and IRBC stats from RBA's Previous Records Online:

There are 57 accepted records of Black-eared Wheatear in Britain and 5 in Ireland.
The most recent published record for Cornwall was in 2002

RBA's Previous Records (new) has all the records and a wealth of stats and analysis for this and other rarities recorded in Britain and Ireland

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Old Wednesday 2nd October 2013, 19:29   #2
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Been a while since last twitchable mainland bird- over 10 years?
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I personally would have said this was worthy of mega status? But just my thoughts...I'll sit down now.

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Been a while since last twitchable mainland bird- over 10 years?
Are there any more details on it, please?
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On the Lizard, in the horse paddocks viewable from the track that runs from Lizard village to the top end of Caerthillean. Showing well until dusk. Nice find by Steve Votier
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On the Lizard, in the horse paddocks viewable from the track that runs from Lizard village and the top end of Caerthillean. Showing well until dusk. Nice find by Steve Votier
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On the Lizard, in the horse paddocks viewable from the track that runs from Lizard village to the top end of Caerthillean. Showing well until dusk. Nice find by Steve Votier
Any thoughts as to whether eastern or western black eared ?
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1st winter, on Cornwall Birding.
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Not totally sure to be honest. None of us had access to the literature in the field (and I haven't yet had a chance to look properly yet). It was a 1st winter female, which from memory is the hardest age/sex combo to sort out. Surprisingly long primary projection (good for eastern?), but a bit too peachy-toned for eastern probably. Will dig through the literature at some point when I've got a bit more time, although hopefully it will stick around..
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After the Wheatear sp we had at Northam Burrows a few years back, which was the subject of quite some debate in the field, it was tentatively id'd as Black-eared. It took some time to be accepted by the rarities committee, (as Pied) and at that time a paper was being prepared to help separate the two, which as Ilya says above is a difficult thing to achieve! - So what has made this a Black-eared - does the early date help? Pied often seems to be a later arrival.
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No question it was black-eared. Just not totally sure of eastern v. western
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photographs of reported 1st-winter appear to show a Wheatear
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Aforementioned photographs here. There is of course the possibility that the wrong bird has been photographed:

http://www.cbwps.org.uk/cbwpsword/sightings/

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Aforementioned photographs here. There is of course the possibility that the wrong bird has been photographed:

http://www.cbwps.org.uk/cbwpsword/sightings/

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One of the photos not on the website does show a nice black underwing...
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No question it was black-eared. Just not totally sure of eastern v. western
Any update re the photos Ilya? Are they the same bird?
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Birdguides now has the dreaded black X against it. What's going on ?
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Three of the four photos on the linked website seem to show the same bird and whilst I'm not very familiar with 1st w BEW show a Wheatear to my eyes. I certainly wouldn't look twice at it although perhaps it was strikingly different in the field (perhaps smaller?). The fourth photo (bird on the roof) looks like a different bird, with very black lores and ear coverts, ie a male wheatear.

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Three of the four photos on the linked website seem to show the same bird and whilst I'm not very familiar with 1st w BEW show a Wheatear to my eyes. I certainly wouldn't look twice at it although perhaps it was strikingly different in the field (perhaps smaller?). The fourth photo (bird on the roof) looks like a different bird, with very black lores and ear coverts, ie a male wheatear.

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The same female wheatear can be seen in all 4 pics with a male also present in the pic you mention.
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Three of the four photos on the linked website seem to show the same bird and whilst I'm not very familiar with 1st w BEW show a Wheatear to my eyes. I certainly wouldn't look twice at it although perhaps it was strikingly different in the field (perhaps smaller?). The fourth photo (bird on the roof) looks like a different bird, with very black lores and ear coverts, ie a male wheatear.

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oh dear, I'll have to look again! It was in the corner of my screen, hidden from view (honest...)

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oh dear, I'll have to look again! It was in the corner of my screen, hidden from view (honest...)

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It does look quite small compared to the male wheatear; but the outer tail feathers surely don't have enough black going back up the webs for BEW though do they and the black tips seem quite broad?

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