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Old Wednesday 20th May 2020, 16:21   #301
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Part II of the UK Column article you posted earlier....
"COVID–19: The Big Pharma players behind UK Government lockdown"
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/cov...nment-lockdown

Let's see what the members make of it shall we ..... ?
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Thanks for the link. The original article is worth reading imho - it raises some salient governance questions .... and that's really the crux of the situation of the here and now.






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Exclamation "Calls to end ‘undemocratic ’ adjournment of parliament"

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...WhLvMuMXLBU7x8
"A former high court judge and public service chief have written to*Scott Morrison*calling for the full resumption of parliament, saying the current lack of accountability and scrutiny is “undemocratic and unprecedented”.

A group of 10 former judges, leading lawyers, integrity experts, and public servants have voiced their concern about the lengthy absence of full parliamentary sittings during the Covid-19 response."








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Hydroxychloroquin - UK trial to start

Can some explain the purpose of a placebo in this instance?

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Trump again

At the very least, this is 'unpresidential', the fact that he does stuff like this, points to a warped and immature personality. It's quite frankly, disgraceful that he behaves like this, he's acting like a frat brat with his childish name calling but the remarks are scandalous, criminal even?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844

They should sue Trump for defamation, there's no Presidential privilege attached is there?
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At the very least, this is 'unpresidential', the fact that he does stuff like this, points to a warped and immature personality. It's quite frankly, disgraceful that he behaves like this, he's acting like a frat brat with his childish name calling but the remarks are scandalous, criminal even?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52748844

They should sue Trump for defamation, there's no Presidential privilege attached is there?
Impeachment failed so at this point everything hinges on the results of the November election: if he loses he can be dealt with by the civil and criminal courts; if he wins, the game’s over. Fingers crossed. . ..
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Impeachment failed so at this point everything hinges on the results of the November election: if he loses he can be dealt with by the civil and criminal courts; if he wins, the game’s over. Fingers crossed. . ..
So you can't sue a sitting President for defamation?
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Andy, all drug trials use placebos to eliminate confounding factors; I am also sure that this will be a double blind test so who had the real drug and who had the placebo is only known after the results are collected. It allows the maximum accuracy in determining the actual pharmaceutical effects of the drug.
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Andy, all drug trials use placebos to eliminate confounding factors; I am also sure that this will be a double blind test so who had the real drug and who had the placebo is only known after the results are collected. It allows the maximum accuracy in determining the actual pharmaceutical effects of the drug.
I always thought that placebos were used in cases where there are perceived psychological factors?
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It may be unlikely in this case, but it is by no means impossible that there could be a psychological effect even here, eg. Belief in the effectiveness of the treatment could change the recipient’s behaviour (or even individuals could minimise reports of effectiveness so as not to allow Trump to be right!)
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So you can't sue a sitting President for defamation?
I believe that’s the case.
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Fossil fuel & the lockdown—

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"COVID Denial" ...... now I've heard it all.





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For the sake of the DOW—

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I and others, stated very early on that tough decisions were inevitably, going to have to be made.

It won't just be the US, all major countries including the UK, have to get working again some time but at what cost. I'm glad I'm not making this decision.

How to treat those who refuse to return to work over fears for their own safety, most prominently teachers, egged on in no small part by the Unions here in the UK. Continue to pay them, fire them if they ignore government instructions and stay at home? Teachers have a disproportionate effect on the economy in that millions of working people, will have to continue to stay at home with their kids if the schools don't reopen.

As the death toll drops, the clamour for a return to work will grow louder but some will still die. Any death that is perceived as being the result of a premature return to work, will become the focal point of those who would apparently stay at home until it's 100% safe to return which of course it never can be.

Some people WANT to work but some, HAVE to work, thank god the shopworkers haven't been so militant, we would have been totally screwed if they withdrew their labour.
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I believe that’s the case.
If anyone should deserve to be sued it's the insectivora media....

Constant lies and hypocrisy. And nah, I won't provide proof, it will be ignored or disputed based on source.

This Covid debacle is an excellent case in point with their endless fearmongering and Trump bashing. Thankfully half the country ignores them.
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If anyone should deserve to be sued it's the insectivora media....

Constant lies and hypocrisy. And nah, I won't provide proof, it will be ignored or disputed based on source.

This Covid debacle is an excellent case in point with their endless fearmongering and Trump bashing. Thankfully half the country ignores them.
I don't think the "insectivora media" needs to bash Trump but simply report what he says. Asked recently about his coronavirus test Trump replied that "I tested very positively, in another sense, this morning. I tested positively toward negative, right? No, I tested perfectly this morning -- meaning I tested negative. But that's a way of saying it: positively toward the negative." You may think that's the response of a man fully in charge of his marbles and sufficiently intellectually competent to be President but many will beg to differ.
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If anyone should deserve to be sued it's the insectivora media.... .
An odd insult. Most people think of Dumbo more as a feces-throwing ape than as a cockroach or ant.

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This Covid debacle is an excellent case in point with their endless fearmongering and Trump bashing. Thankfully half the country ignores them.
Actually, considerably less than half and rapidly decreasing according to all the polls..
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If anyone should deserve to be sued it's the insectivora media....

Constant lies and hypocrisy. And nah, I won't provide proof, it will be ignored or disputed based on source.

This Covid debacle is an excellent case in point with their endless fearmongering and Trump bashing. Thankfully half the country ignores them.
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Bellyaching, whining, swearing and the inevitable occurs - we could see it coming but no, you carried on untill the thread was closed, well done. Then, quite amazingly try to start another one which lasted all of one initial post. Now you've brought your vitriol to another thread that was doing okay without your involvement. Please, please desist your input, and I will also, just read and " Listen without Prejudice".
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An odd insult. Most people think of Dumbo more as a feces-throwing ape than an aphid or a cockroach.



Actually, considerably less than half and rapidly decreasing according to all the polls..
Fugl, you are in desperate need of a shrink.
I don't think most people would even think that.
I think one poster just tries to sell that to most people
You do realize your are describing POTUS far beyond what reasonable people think. Maybe, just maybe, he is decreasing in the polls, but is there any reason to describe another human like this?
Please, get your act together Fugl.

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Bellyaching, whining, swearing and the inevitable occurs - we could see it coming but no, you carried on untill the thread was closed, well done. Then, quite amazingly try to start another one which lasted all of one initial post. Now you've brought your vitriol to another thread that was doing okay without your involvement. Please, please desist your input, and I will also, just read and " Listen without Prejudice".
I completely agree with this. It's called thread hijacking and needs to be stopped by management. And I don't mean stop the thread; I mean stop the hijackers!

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"COVID Denial" ...... now I've heard it all.
I didn't read the article until just now. No, it's not "COVID denial". This is just a typical left-wing hit piece. The protests of those who consider lockdowns unscientific, medieval, and not lifesaving -- all legitimate points that have been well supported by evidence, studies, and arguments on this forum and elsewhere -- are simply considered trashed by alleging that fossil fuel magnates like the Kochs are behind them. Who of course do have an interest in supporting such protests, but aren't somehow creating them.

This kind of illogic appears today even in what used to be considered respectable newspapers. If Trump thinks a nation needs to control its borders, that has to be wrong! If the Kochs are supporting antilockdown protests, they're illegitimate! This is what politics has come to. Only a lobotomy could cure the pain.

[Edit] This is really more a contrast than a repetition. The science on climate change is clear and robust, and those who dispute it really are stupid, craven, or both (including the Kochs of course)... and yet, the world continues to do practically nothing about it. In contrast, the science on COVID is still a ******* joke, predictions have been monstrously wrong, there's so much more we don't know about its behavior than we do, and yet certain moralistic types keep bleating about the need to "follow the science" while imposing measures so harsh and costly no one would ever have imagined them. The economic hit from taking timely action on carbon emissions (with much greater and more lasting benefits) might have been less, but was never seriously contemplated. Yet in a matter of weeks the entire world is doing this? Amazing.

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A vaccine by the fall?

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. . .The science on climate change is clear and robust, and those who dispute it really are stupid, craven, or both (including the Kochs of course)... and yet, the world continues to do practically nothing about it. In contrast, the science on COVID is still a ******* joke, predictions have been monstrously wrong, there's so much more we don't know about its behavior than we do, and yet certain moralistic types keep bleating about the need to "follow the science" while imposing measures so harsh and costly no one would ever have imagined them. The economic hit from taking timely action on carbon emissions (with much greater and more lasting benefits) might have been less, but was never seriously contemplated. Yet in a matter of weeks the entire world is doing this? Amazing.
Quite a rant.

With regard to climate-change deniers being "stupid, craven, or both". Stupid, well, yeah, a case could be made, but craven??
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