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where do the lesser black backed gulls (uk) go ?

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Old Tuesday 14th January 2014, 01:14   #1
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where do the lesser black backed gulls (uk) go ?

i live in Dundee and we have a large breeding population of these birds plus i see them most of the year at a local spot but come winter they all leave and only herring/black headed and the occasional gbb gull are left, i have checked my books and did some web searching but cant find the answer
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Old Tuesday 14th January 2014, 06:12   #2
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i live in Dundee and we have a large breeding population of these birds plus i see them most of the year at a local spot but come winter they all leave and only herring/black headed and the occasional gbb gull are left, i have checked my books and did some web searching but cant find the answer
They go to Iberia and North Africa, although there is an increasing winter population in England too. I saw an adult in East Lothian last weekend and have seen them in Bristol in January in some numbers in the past. In Lisbon last November they were really common.

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Old Tuesday 14th January 2014, 14:18   #3
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When I started in the late '50s they were generally reckoned to be mostly summer visitors to Britain. Look at the Atlas 2007-11 now to see the difference: their winter squares are almost solid over most of England, Wales, and Scotland from the central lowlands southwards. Don't know why, and don't know whether it's been studied at all.
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Old Tuesday 14th January 2014, 21:21   #4
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I met a birder from Madrid today and I asked him if there were LBBG in Madrid and he said there 10's of thousands on the rubbish tips there so maybe that answers your question...Eddy
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cheers for the replys,very interesting
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Old Wednesday 15th January 2014, 00:53   #6
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I met a birder from Madrid today and I asked him if there were LBBG in Madrid and he said there 10's of thousands on the rubbish tips there so maybe that answers your question...Eddy
I've seen swarms of them at El Pardo in December. It's weird to see them so far inland.
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Seems to be a lot more this year in inland Lancashire than usual. Do particular colonies winter in particular areas or they just wander anywhere?
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We also have a lot more in the West Midlands they seem to be increasing year on year around here.
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Seems to be a lot more this year in inland Lancashire than usual. Do particular colonies winter in particular areas or they just wander anywhere?
Maybe that is a question for the ringing forum.
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In North America, this species is found only in winter, mainly in the east. Not sure where ours go to breed, but they must go somewhere.
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In Portugal its a very numerous winter visitor - in the Algarve alone there are many thousands, maybe 10,000+
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In Portugal its a very numerous winter visitor - in the Algarve alone there are many thousands, maybe 10,000+
At Upton Warren, Worcestershire we regularly submit sightings of ringed birds and follow up their subsequent histories. A second calendar year LBB Gull sport a black ring with yellow lettering K+P was recorded on the reserve on the 4th October 2013. It was ringed in Cardiff as a nestling on the 2nd July 2012 and later recorded at Figueiera da Foz, Portugal on the 11th November 2012.
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interesting reports,still no birds reported along our coastline,ill post the first arrival date here
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They changed their migration strategy due to the opening of tips. They short-stop and less bother heading to Spain.
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I'm yet to see one this year here in West Yorkshire.
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The BTO have been running a tracking project on Lesser Black backs for the past few years. Details here:
http://www.bto.org/science/migration...k-backed-gulls
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In North America, this species is found only in winter, mainly in the east. Not sure where ours go to breed, but they must go somewhere.
The increase in Eastern North America corresponds with increases in Greenland, and that is the most likely origin of our birds.
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saw my first one today circling a rooftop colony in dundee 03/03/14
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