Join for FREE
It only takes a minute!
More discoveries. NEW: Zeiss Victory SF 32

Welcome to BirdForum.
BirdForum is the net's largest birding community, dedicated to wild birds and birding, and is absolutely FREE! You are most welcome to register for an account, which allows you to take part in lively discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.

Eurasian and Chinese Penduline Tits

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old Tuesday 12th December 2006, 05:14   #1
Charles Harper
Régisseur
 
Charles Harper's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Posts: 2,313
Eurasian and Chinese Penduline Tits

Does anyone have IDing experience of the two (allo)species?

I cannot seem to find comparative text on the internet or in my sparse library. I have looked at a number of web photos (including Adey Baker's of the former species and Wigan's of the latter here in the Gallery).

For adult males at least, it seems to me:

Eurasian: Larger mask and unbordered, greyish-white crown/head, a good bit of brown under, and a rich chestnut mantle.

Chinese: Narrower mask bordered with narrow white which contrasts with the grey crown, little or no brown on the grey breast, mantle grey-brown or brown-grey or grey.

From what I've written above, Chinese seem similar to female Eurasians. And then there are the females and juveniles and winter birds, whose photos leave me confounded.

Any pointers or links you can give me? I would be grateful.
__________________
... al with-oute, the mewe is peynted grene, In which were peynted alle thise false foules, As beth thise tidifs, tercelets, and oules,... and pyes....
Kantorilode: Birds of Japan
.
Charles Harper is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Tuesday 12th December 2006, 19:13   #2
StuartReeves
Local rarity
 
StuartReeves's Avatar

 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Suffolk, UK
Posts: 4,101
Hi Charles,

Referring to Harrap & Quinn's excellent "Tits, Nuthatches & Treecreepers", there isn't a direct comparison of the two species as their ranges are well separated. However, study of the plates seems to support the features you have gleaned from photos. In addition, Chinese seems to show a more prominent buff greater covert bar, partly because Eurasian shows a pale patch on the folded secondaries which means that there isn't so much contrast between the secondaries & the greater coverts on Eurasian. In female/immature plumages the white edges around the mask of Chinese lead to a pale supercilium and sub-moustachial which looks pretty distinctive.

Hope that helps,

Stuart
StuartReeves is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2018 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Old Tuesday 12th December 2006, 21:41   #3
Charles Harper
Régisseur
 
Charles Harper's Avatar

 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Yokohama, Japan
Posts: 2,313
.
Stuart, that's great-- so the white border to the mask evidently persists through the ages and sexes. Thanks so much. Now all I have to do is find the bird (one was reported in the area last Sunday).

Cheers,

Chas.
.
__________________
... al with-oute, the mewe is peynted grene, In which were peynted alle thise false foules, As beth thise tidifs, tercelets, and oules,... and pyes....
Kantorilode: Birds of Japan
.
Charles Harper is offline  
Reply With Quote

BF Supporter 2004 Support BirdForum With A Donation

Advertisement
Reply


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Not the wretched Word Association Wes Hobarth Ruffled Feathers 75 Saturday 4th February 2006 17:00
South Korea Report 2005 tf1044x Vacational Trip Reports 7 Friday 11th November 2005 12:23
Magazines Steve Books, Magazines, Publications, Video & DVD 47 Monday 16th August 2004 11:09
Yunnan - text only version!! alibenn Vacational Trip Reports 1 Saturday 24th April 2004 07:57



Fatbirder's Top 1000 Birding Websites

Help support BirdForum

Page generated in 0.18062305 seconds with 17 queries
All times are GMT. The time now is 12:10.