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Old Monday 18th November 2019, 10:46   #1
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Africa - year list record

I read that the Budget birders (https://budgetbirders.com) Ross and Melissa Gallardy are doing a trip to Africa Dec 19-Oct 20.

No details of their plans as yet that I can find.

Set me wondering what is the current year record for the continent?

I looked at eBird and the recent highest list was circa 1250.

Arjan Dwarshuis added 1,374 species on the continent during his global big year in 2016 - but I am not sure what his overall list was.

Both seem a little low.

Based on their normal approach - I would guess that they will beat this total and as they use eBird we should be able to see progress (albeit on Clements taxonomy)
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It won't technically be a year list though will it as it straddles two years?

Has anyone ever made a dedicated effort at a continental, African year list?
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It won't technically be a year list though will it as it straddles two years?

Has anyone ever made a dedicated effort at a continental, African year list?
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Two things -

I wasnt trying to suggest that Ross & Melissa were chasing any record, but a team like that are probably going to get close (if we knew what the number was) with that amount of time.

The result of 10 months is going to end up with two numbers - a 2020 total and a Dec to Oct number - it is up to anyone who keeps the records to adjudicate which "counts".

Knowing that Ross is chasing 7000 world list, it is likely that he will avoid South Africa and Madagascar during this trip, as he has already done them. This will impact the overall total no doubt.
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Two things -

I wasnt trying to suggest that Ross & Melissa were chasing any record, but a team like that are probably going to get close (if we knew what the number was) with that amount of time.

The result of 10 months is going to end up with two numbers - a 2020 total and a Dec to Oct number - it is up to anyone who keeps the records to adjudicate which "counts".

Knowing that Ross is chasing 7000 world list, it is likely that he will avoid South Africa and Madagascar during this trip, as he has already done them. This will impact the overall total no doubt.
I would guess, that one of the tour guides may have a competitive, African year list but as I said, not sure anyone has ever done one for the continent?

South Africans do year listing I think but only within SA.

Edit: I just mailed Callan Cohen, he will probably know.
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Got this back from Callan and Ethan at 'African Birding'

'Hmmmm, I’m actually not sure what the record is

I’m copying Ethan here who might know

Callan'


'Hi all,

I don't know if there's an official continental record set, it's been something I have been trying to figure out myself. I heard something that perhaps one of the Rockjumper guys had a pretty big continental list after guiding many tours one year, but I don't know more.

I personally had 1,216 (Clements) a few years ago after Ethiopia, Kenya, South Africa, Uganda, and Zimbabwe.'

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vagranttwitcher.wixsite.com/bigyear?fbclid=IwAR2ui8Cg0U98wMvt9fPPREIxevkn4QfGugP1Bco_NyOQ9rxY30A5aNCvlLo

seems to have slipped under the radar.
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Thanks Paul,
you're right, seems nobody knew?

There's a list here, he's on 1168.

https://vagranttwitcher.wixsite.com/bigyear/lists
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1432 updated up to 11th November according to the link posted by Paul above.
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1432 updated up to 11th November according to the link posted by Paul above.
Sorry, didn't look properly, got a bit disinterested when they wanted me to log in.
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Sybrand van Niekerk, aka Vagrant Twitcher, finished his Africa year with a total of 1508 (Clements) / 1541 (IOC). This appears to be new year record for the continent.

The blog shows just how draining this is in somewhere like Africa. https://vagranttwitcher.wixsite.com/bigyear

Despite what was on their Budget Birders website, it clear that Ross and Melissa Gallardy are yet to arrive on the continent, and start what was billed as 9/10 month visit. It will be interesting to see how they progress.
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Despite what was on their Budget Birders website, it clear that Ross and Melissa Gallardy are yet to arrive on the continent, and start what was billed as 9/10 month visit. It will be interesting to see how they progress.
The journey has begun. https://budgetbirders.com/category/overlanding-africa/

Melissa and Ross have started their journey and the above link shows their intention.

It is possible to track their species numbers on eBird;

Ross's profile is https://ebird.org/profile/MjgxNTE5/world
Melissa's is https://ebird.org/profile/NDIxNzQ5/world

Normally they use iphone checklists as they go, but obviously these only update as and when they hit wi-fi, which may be infrequent in some of the areas targeted. (only one checklist and 2 species on the list so far!)

As mentioned this is not a African listing record per se, but they have a history of big numbers. They are not (currently) going to North Africa, so this will impact the overall numbers, but it will interesting comparing with previous attempts.
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Skipping N-Africa won't harm their list by much.
Knowing Ross his tactics a bit, he will rather invest time in a potential Drongo split rather than a day at a beach with 10 new species of waders for his Africa list... He will still aim high ofcourse and not skip any species he can see while looking for his targets.
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Skipping N-Africa won't harm their list by much.
Knowing Ross his tactics a bit, he will rather invest time in a potential Drongo split rather than a day at a beach with 10 new species of waders for his Africa list... He will still aim high ofcourse and not skip any species he can see while looking for his targets.
I agree, but dropping the Maghreb endemics will hurt.

On their way to Zimbabwe apparently
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"It is possible to track their species numbers on eBird;

Ross's profile is https://ebird.org/profile/MjgxNTE5/world
Melissa's is https://ebird.org/profile/NDIxNzQ5/world "

How do I search eBird for other folks profiles ???
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"It is possible to track their species numbers on eBird;

Ross's profile is https://ebird.org/profile/MjgxNTE5/world
Melissa's is https://ebird.org/profile/NDIxNzQ5/world "

How do I search eBird for other folks profiles ???
Easiest way is look at the places they would be active and if in public domain, then they can be opened against a checklist, hot spot list or on the top 100 for the area.
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Many thanks - was hoping just to pop someones name in a search box . . . . .
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Many thanks - was hoping just to pop someones name in a search box . . . . .
Let me know if you find such a search box ...... I can't find it either.

The site is all about the birds not the observer. No bad thing IMO.
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Many thanks - was hoping just to pop someones name in a search box . . . . .
You can actually do that when doing a media search: https://ebird.org/media/catalog

Just type in the name of the contributor, which will take you to their photos and sound recordings, and from there you can access their profile
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You can actually do that when doing a media search: https://ebird.org/media/catalog

Just type in the name of the contributor, which will take you to their photos and sound recordings, and from there you can access their profile
Agreed - but of course it assumes that they have photos (probably a majority) or sounds (definately a minority) in the system
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The journey has begun. https://budgetbirders.com/category/overlanding-africa/

Melissa and Ross have started their journey and the above link shows their intention.

It is possible to track their species numbers on eBird.
As expected, updates are impacted by availability of WiFi. (Lack of)

Ross has hit 240 by 15th and is currently in Zimbabwe. Not all days have lists so perhaps a few more to add.
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Interested to see what route they will actually take and Angola, is it even slightly safe?

We were on the border with Angola at Kunene in 2010 and were given the impression that it's really not a good idea to visit for many reasons, including corrupt immigation staff.
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Interested to see what route they will actually take and Angola, is it even slightly safe?

We were on the border with Angola at Kunene in 2010 and were given the impression that it's really not a good idea to visit for many reasons, including corrupt immigation staff.
I have no personal experience, but it appears that plenty of birders cross from Namibia and there are no horror stories. Sure there are plenty of comments of language issues and bureaucracy at borders, including over Yellow fever vaccination, driving on the 'other side of the road' and paperwork. Most of these comments are from South Africans - maybe the passport you are carrying changes the welcome!
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I just did a very brief google, I thought this is article a bit OTT.....................

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-s...rime-in-angola

until I read the FCO page

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-and-security

'If you travel outside Luanda and the provincial capitals, do so in the company of persons or organisations experienced in local conditions, as conditions can be difficult. You may be asked to show your passport and Angolan visa to the local authorities. There is widespread poverty, social exclusion and disease, a shattered infrastructure and mines and items of unexploded ordnance throughout many parts of the country. Transport and accommodation are extremely limited outside Luanda, so make arrangements in advance.'

We took our vehicle over a few land borders in Southern Africa and a few were extremely long, tedious and overly beuracratic , Zambia was the worst.
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The Blog has now been updated with three reports of their start in South Africa (Flufftail hunts) and the process of crossing the Zimbabwe Border.

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Very similar to the crossing in to Zambia from Namibia, this is pretty standard for this part of Africa I think. When we were travelling in Southern Africa, there were also random stops for an outbreak of foot and mouth which meant getting out of the car and stepping in to sterilising baths, car wheels were also sprayed. Also due to this, all nice cars with cooler boxes were targetted and lost pretty much all food that was in them due to their movement being 'forbiden'.

Because our vehicle was hired not bought, we also had to pay a fee to the hire company for every seperate country we enetered and that wasn't cheap, add to that a local road tax and insurance which is levied on entry, it all adds up. As far as I remember (10 years ago) we were not allowed to take a South African hire car in to Zimbabwe at all.
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